Mennonite in Supreme Court Case?

[Josh]

I don't know what it is like where you live, but out here in the west, both UPS and FedEx rely on the USPS for most of their "last mile" deliveries in very rural areas. So sure, you can ship FedEx or UPS to rural addresses, but those carriers only take the package as far as the nearest post office and the mail carriers do the rest. That partnership has existed for years. https://www.vox.com/identities/2020/4/1 ... ommunities

I’m not sure what your point is. FedEx and UPS pay USPS a lot of money for this service (I assume you’re talking about SmartPost) and it’s in fact one of the areas the postal service turns a profit in (the other is junk mail and priority mail). Conversely, Express Mail is almost all transported by FedEx.

Nobody does overnight shipments that arrive on Sunday unless you’re talking about something like Custom Critical same day deliveries.

So I’ll repeat myself:

There is zero need for mail delivery on Sundays.

[QuietlyListening]

Whether or not mail/package delivery on Sunday is necessary is beside the point. It's the way things are at this point in time and isn't going to change.

As a believer if you feel you cannot work on Sunday, you may need to take another job. Yes, when he began working at the post office Sunday's were not required but in today's world- job requirements change and you either go along with them or quietly say I cannot do that for whatever reason and move on. I truly believe you will have a stronger Christian witness if you are quiet but firm in your response instead of loud and yelling to all it is persecution. Whether it is truly persecution or not you aren't portraying Jesus in your loud and sometimes obnoxious behavior - you are telling everyone to 'see me'- see what I am doing or won't do.

[temporal1]

.. It's the way things are at this point in time - - - and isn't going to change.

i think lots of people are seeing lots of change, often rapid, often far-reaching, with little or no recourse. including in mail and package deliveries.

i witnessed Walmart move in, force many out, now, not long after, they’re affected by home deliveries and other factors, they’re cutting back, reducing quality and service, closing locations. As i watch the now busy UPS, FED EX, USPS trucks do home deliveries, i wonder, what happens when they disappear?!

i see nothing as “it’s not going to change.” it’s a matter of when. and how.

as for how to respond, i am thankful for the many Christian responses, which can look very different, and, like you, maybe some appear more Christ-like than others to me. but i think it takes many different responses from many different people to affect improvement.

i wouldn’t respond as this man, but i pray for God’s will to be done, through this man, and, in different ways, through me.

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As for Sunday delivery, it’s not necessary, history proves that. It’s an added service some value.
Delivery or not, it’s quite likely the facilities and big truck drivers, air transport, etc., would continue on Sundays.
It might be difficult to shut down big systems like that. So, either way, maybe not so visible, but probably busy+operating.

[Ken]

I don't know what it is like where you live, but out here in the west, both UPS and FedEx rely on the USPS for most of their "last mile" deliveries in very rural areas. So sure, you can ship FedEx or UPS to rural addresses, but those carriers only take the package as far as the nearest post office and the mail carriers do the rest. That partnership has existed for years. https://www.vox.com/identities/2020/4/1 ... ommunities

I’m not sure what your point is. FedEx and UPS pay USPS a lot of money for this service (I assume you’re talking about SmartPost) and it’s in fact one of the areas the postal service turns a profit in (the other is junk mail and priority mail). Conversely, Express Mail is almost all transported by FedEx.

Nobody does overnight shipments that arrive on Sunday unless you’re talking about something like Custom Critical same day deliveries.

So I’ll repeat myself:

There is zero need for mail delivery on Sundays.

My point wasn't about Sunday mail delivery. It was about how rural people, especially in very remote areas, are much more dependent on the post office than rural/suburban people. And if it declines or collapses due to lack of revenue from things like Sunday delivery it will affect rural communities more than urban areas. I'm not sure why this is even an argument. There has been a huge amount written on the subject.

For example, there are hundreds of thousands of elderly disabled Americans living in places like remote Indian reservations or remote rural locations in places like Alabama or Nevada or Alaska where FedEx doesn't deliver but the US mail does. And they rely on the mail for things like getting their prescription medications because they don't own cars and can't easily get out to the nearest pharmacy which might be dozens of miles away. Someone living in the city or suburbs has pharmacies everywhere that deliver. But if you are 25 miles down a dirt road on the Navajo reservation, the mail is the only way you are getting your meds. Or anything else for that matter like your absentee mail ballot so you can vote.

[Josh]

My point wasn't about Sunday mail delivery. It was about how rural people, especially in very remote areas, are much more dependent on the post office than rural/suburban people. And if it declines or collapses due to lack of revenue from things like Sunday delivery it will affect rural communities more than urban areas. I'm not sure why this is even an argument. There has been a huge amount written on the subject.

There is zero need for Sunday delivery of junk mail.

Rural areas can be subsidised if need be.

For example, there are hundreds of thousands of elderly disabled Americans living in places like remote Indian reservations or remote rural locations in places like Alabama or Nevada or Alaska where FedEx doesn't deliver but the US mail does. And they rely on the mail for things like getting their prescription medications because they don't own cars and can't easily get out to the nearest pharmacy which might be dozens of miles away. Someone living in the city or suburbs has pharmacies everywhere that deliver. But if you are 25 miles down a dirt road on the Navajo reservation, the mail is the only way you are getting your meds. Or anything else for that matter like your absentee mail ballot so you can vote.

That is the most ridiculous things I’ve heard you say yet Ken.

The post office has a mandate to deliver anywhere in America and its territories. If it needs subsidies to do that then so be it.

Forcing religious employees to work on Sabbath or Sunday is not required to ensure people in Navajoland can get deliveries of prescriptions.

[Ken]

My point wasn't about Sunday mail delivery. It was about how rural people, especially in very remote areas, are much more dependent on the post office than rural/suburban people. And if it declines or collapses due to lack of revenue from things like Sunday delivery it will affect rural communities more than urban areas. I'm not sure why this is even an argument. There has been a huge amount written on the subject.

There is zero need for Sunday delivery of junk mail.

Rural areas can be subsidised if need be.

For example, there are hundreds of thousands of elderly disabled Americans living in places like remote Indian reservations or remote rural locations in places like Alabama or Nevada or Alaska where FedEx doesn't deliver but the US mail does. And they rely on the mail for things like getting their prescription medications because they don't own cars and can't easily get out to the nearest pharmacy which might be dozens of miles away. Someone living in the city or suburbs has pharmacies everywhere that deliver. But if you are 25 miles down a dirt road on the Navajo reservation, the mail is the only way you are getting your meds. Or anything else for that matter like your absentee mail ballot so you can vote.

That is the most ridiculous things I’ve heard you say yet Ken.

The post office has a mandate to deliver anywhere in America and its territories. If it needs subsidies to do that then so be it.

Forcing religious employees to work on Sabbath or Sunday is not required to ensure people in Navajoland can get deliveries of prescriptions.

If that is the most ridiculous thing I have ever wrote here then I'm in pretty good shape.

By law the Post Office is supposed to be self-funding so that budget shortfalls get covered by increased postage rates or new revenue sources like Sunday delivery.

If all you do is raise postal rates to cover costs then you can end up in a death spiral where as the rates to up, people use the mail less, and revenues continue to drop, rinse and repeat. So that is why the Post Office is looking for new revenue sources such as partnerships with Amazon and other private shippers.

[Josh]

… Ken, the idea the post office has to FORCE PEOPLE TO WORK ON SUNDAY, they they can’t TOLERATE RELIGIOUS CONVICTIONS, or else there will be NO MAIL DELIVERY IN NAVAJOLAND is patently absurd.

It also betrays you hatred of religious people and their convictions. You have asserted there is no legitimate reason for someone to not work in the Sabbath. Apparently you think everyone who keeps it should be confined to a shtetl and just work for each other or something. You don’t want people like me engaged in public life or able to work for public sector jobs.

[QuietlyListening]

Josh, technically Saturday is the Sabbath.

[Ken]

… Ken, the idea the post office has to FORCE PEOPLE TO WORK ON SUNDAY, they they can’t TOLERATE RELIGIOUS CONVICTIONS, or else there will be NO MAIL DELIVERY IN NAVAJOLAND is patently absurd.

It also betrays you hatred of religious people and their convictions. You have asserted there is no legitimate reason for someone to not work in the Sabbath. Apparently you think everyone who keeps it should be confined to a shtetl and just work for each other or something. You don’t want people like me engaged in public life or able to work for public sector jobs.

Josh. Maybe you should take a deep breath and respond to what I actually wrote instead of inventing hysterical windmills to tilt at.

Or not. Your choice.

[Josh]

Josh, technically Saturday is the Sabbath.

I know.

Most people who strictly don't work on a specific day of the week in our country keep the Sabbath. I think that is an important part of their religious faith and should be protected.