Excessive violence in schools

[Josh]

Where do you come up with such nonsense? Can you point to a single comment where I or anyone else here or anywhere has advocated that we should NOT maintain discipline within schools or anywhere else? No, I promise you cannot.

In the bus incident that started this thread would the situation have been made better or worse if those 14 year olds had been carrying guns in addition to fists? Let me guess, in your world the only way to deal with "bad" 14 year olds carrying guns if for "good" 14 year olds to carry them too?

Because goodness sake, we can't take away the "precious"

Ken,

Guns are not allowed to be carried by pupils on school buses. The violent incident I shared had nothing to do with guns.

Can you please explain why you think gun control is somehow the solution? Particularly keeping in mind that people who already break the law will continue to break gun laws, use guns and kill people with them, and meanwhile law-abiding citizens can't defend themselves?

[Ken]

Where do you come up with such nonsense? Can you point to a single comment where I or anyone else here or anywhere has advocated that we should NOT maintain discipline within schools or anywhere else? No, I promise you cannot.

In the bus incident that started this thread would the situation have been made better or worse if those 14 year olds had been carrying guns in addition to fists? Let me guess, in your world the only way to deal with "bad" 14 year olds carrying guns if for "good" 14 year olds to carry them too?

Because goodness sake, we can't take away the "precious"

Ken,

Guns are not allowed to be carried by pupils on school buses. The violent incident I shared had nothing to do with guns.

Can you please explain why you think gun control is somehow the solution? Particularly keeping in mind that people who already break the law will continue to break gun laws, use guns and kill people with them, and meanwhile law-abiding citizens can't defend themselves?

Scroll up to near the top of the thread where I took a deep dive into actual data on school and youth violence and provided links to more expansive data on the subject.

Bottom line? Poverty most closely correlates with youth violence (not race or urban/rural settings) and access to firearms makes the violence more deadly.

In the example of violence on the school bus that started this thread, the kids were actually unharmed according to the mother. Do you imagine that would have been the case had guns been involved?

[Josh]

Bottom line? Poverty most closely correlates with youth violence (not race or urban/rural settings) and access to firearms makes the violence more deadly.

Or perhaps violence creates poverty. Did you ever stop to think about that?

[Ken]

Bottom line? Poverty most closely correlates with youth violence (not race or urban/rural settings) and access to firearms makes the violence more deadly.

Or perhaps violence creates poverty. Did you ever stop to think about that?

So kids who are violent turn poor as a result? That is a new one.

If you are talking about the more general societal trend where people and businesses don't invest in neighborhoods that are perceived to be dangerous, then that is even more reason to address the proliferation of firearms in our society. Because it is primarily the abundance of firearms and other weapons that make such neighborhoods dangerous.

[Josh]

Bottom line? Poverty most closely correlates with youth violence (not race or urban/rural settings) and access to firearms makes the violence more deadly.

Or perhaps violence creates poverty. Did you ever stop to think about that?

So kids who are violent turn poor as a result? That is a new one.

Violence creates poverty. If your stuff gets stolen, it’s hard to have a business or start one. You pay more for insurance, if you can get it at all. Your stress levels go up, creating health problems. This is what people in impoverished areas afflicted by violent sociopaths have to deal with.

If you are talking about the more general societal trend where people and businesses don't invest in neighborhoods that are perceived to be dangerous,

“Perceived to be?” I won’t invest in an area my stuff will get stolen in. Sorry.

then that is even more reason to address the proliferation of firearms in our society. Because it is primarily the abundance of firearms and other weapons that make such neighborhoods dangerous.

… so with no firearms, violent people magically become peaceful?

Most my neighbours have firearms. Yet violence is really low - so low, we don’t even have police. It’s been a long time since anyone remembers any property crimes around here. The only violent crimes that ever show up are domestic violence.

[Ken]

Or perhaps violence creates poverty. Did you ever stop to think about that?

So kids who are violent turn poor as a result? That is a new one.

Violence creates poverty. If your stuff gets stolen, it’s hard to have a business or start one. You pay more for insurance, if you can get it at all. Your stress levels go up, creating health problems. This is what people in impoverished areas afflicted by violent sociopaths have to deal with.

If you are talking about the more general societal trend where people and businesses don't invest in neighborhoods that are perceived to be dangerous,

“Perceived to be?” I won’t invest in an area my stuff will get stolen in. Sorry.

then that is even more reason to address the proliferation of firearms in our society. Because it is primarily the abundance of firearms and other weapons that make such neighborhoods dangerous.

… so with no firearms, violent people magically become peaceful?

Most my neighbours have firearms. Yet violence is really low - so low, we don’t even have police. It’s been a long time since anyone remembers any property crimes around here. The only violent crimes that ever show up are domestic violence.

Redneck rural areas are "perceived to be" violent by many people. Perception is not always reality. Sometimes it is, but not always.

In any event this thread is about school children not your rural neighbors. Do you think it is a good idea for 14 year old kids to be armed when they are out on the streets and in school?

[temporal1]

Or perhaps violence creates poverty. Did you ever stop to think about that?

good point!
violence and crimes, sins and immorality, amorality, are indicative of, or result in SPIRITUAL POVERTY.
spiritual poverty is the most critical point. throwing money at superficials doesn’t work.

And other studies have found that winning the lottery generally didn't help financially distressed people escape their troubles and instead only postponed the inevitable bankruptcy.

One found that one-third of lottery winners eventually go bankrupt.
Nov 8, 2022

Jesus had plenty to say about .. treasures. All Truth.

[Ken]

good point!
violence and crimes, sins and immorality, amorality, are indicative of, or result in SPIRITUAL POVERTY.
spiritual poverty is the most critical point. throwing money at superficials doesn’t work.

In other words, "It is the fault of the poor that they are poor"

that is an oldie but a goodie.

[temporal1]

good point!
violence and crimes, sins and immorality, amorality, are indicative of, or result in SPIRITUAL POVERTY.
spiritual poverty is the most critical point. throwing money at superficials doesn’t work.

In other words, "It is the fault of the poor that they are poor"
that is an oldie but a goodie.

This is a good example of why i don’t look to you for any sort of leadership, esp not anything concerning Christianity.
3 miles wide, 1 inch deep. (another oldie)

Scriptures warn about spiritual poverty in the privileged and wealthy, most of all. The Sermon on the Mount gets right into it.
Real life history reflects the reality. Jesus came for the poor, successfully lifting followers out of despair into hope - in Him.

Spiritual poverty is more rampant in the wealthy than others, according to sciptures. And, more ingrained. Camels+needles.

For whatever cause of material poverty, even slavery, Jesus offers His way to spiritual life!

[Josh]

… so with no firearms, violent people magically become peaceful?

Most my neighbours have firearms. Yet violence is really low - so low, we don’t even have police. It’s been a long time since anyone remembers any property crimes around here. The only violent crimes that ever show up are domestic violence.

Redneck rural areas are "perceived to be" violent by many people. Perception is not always reality. Sometimes it is, but not always.[/quote]

Reality is what is important. We actually can figure out places that are violent, and places that aren't. So far, no 9 year olds where I live have been so brutally beaten on the school bus that they had to go to the ER for their injuries. The same is not true of Miami-Dade.

I don't live in a "redneck rural area", although your prejudice of calling it "redneck" (which is an insult and a slur) is quite telling.

In any event this thread is about school children not your rural neighbors. Do you think it is a good idea for 14 year old kids to be armed when they are out on the streets and in school?

Your political agenda of wanting legislation passed to enact strict gun control is not relevant to this thread. The violence I posted about involved fists, not guns.