Then they came for the Amish ...

[Bootstrap]

Nothing in the past few pages made sense anymore, so I decided to add my two bucks.

[Josh]

Thus the main objection comes up.
Sex outside of marriage is sin and it’s a serious stretch to interpret it any other way.

That isn't my point at all. My point is that it is dishonest to argue that the only (or even primary) purpose of sex is reproduction. Or to claim that the only Biblical purpose for sex is reproduction. When most sex even in marriage is not for the purpose of reproduction but desire and pleasure. And most people obsess about it for reasons other than the desire to procreate. And, in fact, even the Bible is full of stories about sexual desire.

I never argued what you are saying I did and I’d appreciate it if you’d stop putting words in my mouth.

[Ken]

Thus the main objection comes up.
Sex outside of marriage is sin and it’s a serious stretch to interpret it any other way.

That isn't my point at all. My point is that it is dishonest to argue that the only (or even primary) purpose of sex is reproduction. Or to claim that the only Biblical purpose for sex is reproduction. When most sex even in marriage is not for the purpose of reproduction but desire and pleasure. And most people obsess about it for reasons other than the desire to procreate. And, in fact, even the Bible is full of stories about sexual desire.

I never argued what you are saying I did and I’d appreciate it if you’d stop putting words in my mouth.

Putting words into the mouths of others is the form of argument you practice the most here. I quoted your words.

Have you changed your position and now agree that most sex isn't actually about reproduction but sexual desire and pleasure?

[Soloist]

Have you changed your position and now agree that most sex isn't actually about reproduction but sexual desire and pleasure?

Have you stopped hitting your dog yet?

[temporal1]

Josh, and Valerie,
Possibly the gravest conflict in the world today is how core Christian tenets, denial of self, humility, submission,
ARE SO HATED, pride is glorified. Pride in carnal indulgence has a physical flag that is “untouchable.”

It’s a big communication problem. Even babies are clothed in the carnal flag.
The Bible was “Communications Central” for much of the world. Now replaced with the carnal flag, and the sin it represents.