Gender confusion

[temporal1]

I agree with you, and I would not personally feel a need to correct someone else's speech, and if someone personally asked me to use their preferred pronouns, I would try to respect that. The exception would be if I was 100% certain about their biological sex, in which case I cannot lie. But I don't feel a compulsion to ask everyone their birth sex either.

The culture is really not changing though.
The vast majority of people are still using normal words with their objective meaning, but looking with bewilderment at the formerly trustworthy institutions (depending on what you ask) that have been taken over by a tiny minority of absolute lunatics, who are pushing things like this definition change.

It’s changed, and quickly changing.
The vast numbers of “everyone’s” children, Pre-K through college, are forced to learn+live with hijacked laws, definitions, customs, standards, etc.

The lunatics are not stupid. They are armed with law degrees.
They observed patterns of LEGAL PRECEDENCE established in 1960’s laws which moved with primary focus on gov school students to fast-track (what was happening, but more slowly in the general culture).

You+i are NOT their targets! They could not care less about us.

School children are sitting ducks. Education is required, they are not free to go. They are required to use books+materials as presented to them.

Nothing slow or organic about it.

[temporal1]

Roe versus Wade is a poignant example.

“If you don’t want an abortion - don’t have one.” Easy-peasy. Logical. Just.

[barnhart]

I have a few observations about gender confusion, assuming this is the correct thread.

Coming out of the 60's there was a movement in psychology that people are born blank slates and all behavior was learned, all nurture, no nature. One application of this fresh, new theory of human development was dealing with infant males born with undeveloped genitalia. It was thought the simplest path was a little snipping and turn them into females. These people grew up and discovered the truth and many felt they had been wronged.

Then the pendulum swung the other way, through the 80's and 90's such surgery was considered barbaric, the new approach was to treat gender dysphoria with psychology. The problem now lay in the "software" not the physical hardware. Eventually adults who came through that had a lot negative things to say about it and now the pendulum has swung back to favor hardware adjustment and psychological therapies are considered barbaric.

The first course of action I would suggest for the church is do not panic, recognize the trends. Think more about long term approaches and less about short term fixes. Second, remember to treat everyone as a prize, handmade, artisanal project of Jesus, because that is what they are, even when they make incomprehensible decisions or vote for the wrong person. Third, as much as possible, avoid joining forces with people who don't understand the first two points. Forth, recognize the liberal project of individual autonomy is self defeating, it sows the seeds of it's own defeat as it goes along. As it attacks the definition of "woman" on one hand, it simultaneously creates new language (cys-gender, cys-woman) on the other hand to reinforce the concept under assault.

In short, be nice, don't freak out, pray and put your hope in God.

[Szdfan]

I don't support the pronoun change, but in this system of speaking one uses the "cis-" prefix to indicate one is identifying with the gender they were assigned at birth. (What a convoluted speech is needed!)

We really can't force other people to use the words we use. When I use the word "man" or "woman", it means precisely what some people want me to call a "cis-gender-man" or "cis-gender-woman". But I would never describe myself that way. That's not my worldview at all. In my worldview, there are men, there are women, there are some people who choose to live as someone of the opposite gender. So I use words that express my worldview.

So if someone explains to me, with exasperation, that I am a "cis-gender-man" and I need to understand that means that my birth gender matches my gender ... I can't change the way they speak to express their worldview. I use words that express mine. They will probably be able to change the dictionaries, our culture really does seem to be changing in that direction.

But shouting more loudly at them, insulting them more forcefully, that won't do anything to explain our worldview. And if they associate our worldview with hostility, with insults, with toxicity, it's going to make our worldview harder for them to accept.

I'm curious how often in regular, everyday conversations have you had conversations where you use nomenclature like "cis-gender." I've hardly ever had conversations like that -- when they've happened, it's been in specific contexts and with specific people.

[Szdfan]

Since you appear to appear to support this change, and I can only assume from your rapidly progressive persona here that you make every effort to speak in the latest, up to date inclusive language, how are those of us who are normal supposed to describe a biologically born woman, who is still acknowledging the reality of their biology, like 99.9% of women out there are currently doing.

I don't support the pronoun change, but in this system of speaking one uses the "cis-" prefix to indicate one is identifying with the gender they were assigned at birth. (What a convoluted speech is needed!)

I get this once in a rare while while teaching. Out of 15 years of teaching I’ve only had a very small number with name changes from masculine to feminine or vice versa, or who have different pronouns from the obvious. No more than can be counted on one hand. I just make a note of it and use whatever name they want used as a common courtesy that I extend to all kids. Most LGBT kids don’t change their names or pronouns. I don’t actually use pronouns much at all, I just address kids by their names. 99% of the time it is a Zachary who wants to be known as Zach, or a Nathaniel who wants to be known as Nate. Or a Katharine who wants to be known as Katy. Or kids who use their middle names not their first names. That sort of thing. I have lots of Hispanic kids including 3 “Angels” this year. Two of whom go with the Spanish pronunciation and one who uses the English pronunciation. And I have a lot of Asian kids with difficult to pronounce names. I just make notes on my attendance roster and eventually get it all memorized. You can be a jerk about it and deliberately mis-name or mis-pronounce kids names. But what is the point of that? They just end up thinking you are a jerk and stop paying attention. That’s bad teaching. Most of these kids get enough hostility and disrespect in their lives. They don’t need it from their teachers too.

This is also my experience. I have a student named Darian who wants to go by Pedro, I have as student named Appollonia who goes by Appy and I have another named Uphorion who goes by Ruben. None of this has anything to do with LGBTQ, but people frequently go by different names than what they were given at birth.

Whenever I have students who want to go by specific pronouns, I've tried to use them out of respect for the student. A lot of what gets dismissed as "wokeness" seems to me to be basic human decency.

[temporal1]

The operative words are: By force of the sword.

[nett]

I don't support the pronoun change, but in this system of speaking one uses the "cis-" prefix to indicate one is identifying with the gender they were assigned at birth. (What a convoluted speech is needed!)

I get this once in a rare while while teaching. Out of 15 years of teaching I’ve only had a very small number with name changes from masculine to feminine or vice versa, or who have different pronouns from the obvious. No more than can be counted on one hand. I just make a note of it and use whatever name they want used as a common courtesy that I extend to all kids. Most LGBT kids don’t change their names or pronouns. I don’t actually use pronouns much at all, I just address kids by their names. 99% of the time it is a Zachary who wants to be known as Zach, or a Nathaniel who wants to be known as Nate. Or a Katharine who wants to be known as Katy. Or kids who use their middle names not their first names. That sort of thing. I have lots of Hispanic kids including 3 “Angels” this year. Two of whom go with the Spanish pronunciation and one who uses the English pronunciation. And I have a lot of Asian kids with difficult to pronounce names. I just make notes on my attendance roster and eventually get it all memorized. You can be a jerk about it and deliberately mis-name or mis-pronounce kids names. But what is the point of that? They just end up thinking you are a jerk and stop paying attention. That’s bad teaching. Most of these kids get enough hostility and disrespect in their lives. They don’t need it from their teachers too.

This is also my experience. I have a student named Darian who wants to go by Pedro, I have as student named Appollonia who goes by Appy and I have another named Uphorion who goes by Ruben. None of this has anything to do with LGBTQ, but people frequently go by different names than what they were given at birth.

Whenever I have students who want to go by specific pronouns, I've tried to use them out of respect for the student. A lot of what gets dismissed as "wokeness" seems to me to be basic human decency.

I am enjoying watching the resident liberals have such a congenial conversation with each other, unrelated to the topic at hand, where they agree that they are good people.

[temporal1]

I am enjoying watching the resident liberals have such a congenial conversation with each other, unrelated to the topic at hand,
where they agree that they are good people.

From the horses’ mouths.

[Soloist]

In my experience these words are most often used in chemistry and Reddit.

[Szdfan]

The operative words are: By force of the sword.

Wait. Isn't part of your complaint that the state isn't using the sword to enforce your view of gender and sexuality, but is instead protecting and affirming identities you don't agree with? Don't you want the state to enforce your view -- to enforce the belief that the only legitimate sexuality is heterosexual marriage? Aren't you seeking the state to force your views on other people's most intimate relationships and identities?

Aren't anti-sodomy laws or bans against contraception also the force of the sword?

To me it doesn't sound like you're against the force of the sword; you want the force of the sword to benefit you.