Elon Musk. Twitter. Babylon Bee.

[GaryK]

I will admit that I did not believe, whatsoever, that Hunter Biden left a laptop that was then found. I didn’t believe the story at all. Now I do.
I think it is evidence of collusion between the liberal media and the Democratic Party.

Same thing happened with the Rittenhouse story, George Floyd, (Hands up, don't shoot) I can't remember the name right now, and the favorite cry "Russia". Along with many other stories. They are extremely distorted and a fake narrative is created. Time and time again, it comes out that it is fake and distorted by the media and "influencers" yet when it finally comes out to be false, most have moved on and just ignore the facts of the case. Many just keep believing those who gave them the false narrative because they can not believe that they would so blatantly lie. Those creating these false narratives knows it plays into many peoples belief systems and they use that to manipulate the uninformed with quick headlines and flat out lies in stories.

What is happening right now is Twitter is releasing files to prove what many have been seeing and claiming for years. Now there is clear proof. Elon Musk even tweeted that Twitter is a crime scene right now. He clearly sees and knows. It is as bad as many have been claiming. There is a "cabal" of media, tech, and government that has been lying, distorting and manipulating many uninformed, and some informed yet easily manipulated.

I am NOT saying Trump or the Republicans are angels. By no means. I hope he does not run again. I just know he is not as evil as Hitler or any way close. President Biden did not even campaign, stayed locked up in a basement and got 10 million more votes than President Obama who caused massive amounts of minorities and young voters to vote, had massive rallies and handled himself pretty well on the national stage. Yes, some would vote AGAINST Trump, but I can not see 10 million doing that. One has to remember that Trump got more votes that election than any other candidate in history except for Biden.

We are at an inflection point. Now that there is proof. If nothing changes, there will be violence. It will not be because proof has been released. It will be because proof has been released and NOTHING was done about it. A two tiered justice system. We already know it exists. If it perpetuates, there will be repercussions. Not from me. I just sit back and watch the mess.

Some scream January 6! What about May 29th? The President had to be removed to the underground bunker. They breached the walls of the Whitehouse. A guard tower was burned down. Multiple Secret Service agents were injured. An historic church across the street was burned. Care to search for information about it? It is quite hard to find. Why? Few reported on it. It was a one and done and just ignored by the press because it did not further the narrative. The populous is being played. Do not fall for it.

Both events were bad. I do not see one worse than the other. Yet, those who participated with J6 have been locked up with NO bail for 2 years while those held for May 29th were released and charges dropped. Can you not see how this is not a fair justice system?

All Twitter and Musk is doing right now is showing the lies. It is clear evidence. Careful who you trust. You are being lied to and manipulated. I know it is hard to believe. We grow up thinking we are in a free, honorable system. That is the lie that has allowed many of us to be manipulated. It has taken a billionaire president and a billionaire tech giant to reveal the truth. Neither had to do it. Both could have just lived their life and been happy and comfortable. Both jumped into the system to reveal the wizard/s behind the curtains. I do not agree with some of their life choices and actions, but I can and do respect them for that. Two billionaires may help right the ship. I personally think it is too far gone to right. I think the American Experiment is over. I think it has been over for a while, just most are in denial. We have the skeleton of it left, but the meat is all gone. Only thing we can do is get a little marrow out to feed us in the last days. I do not see it feeding us since there is nothing left but $30 trillion in debt.


Psalm 20

1May the LORD answer you in the day of trouble;
may the name of the God of Jacob protect you.
2May He send you help from the sanctuary
and sustain you from Zion.
3May He remember all your gifts
and look favorably on your burnt offerings.

4May He give you the desires of your heart
and make all your plans succeed.
5May we shout for joy at your victory
and raise a banner in the name of our God.
May the LORD grant all your petitions.
6Now I know that the LORD saves His anointed;
He answers him from His holy heaven
with the saving power of His right hand.
7Some trust in chariots and others in horses,
but we trust in the name of the LORD our God.

8They collapse and fall,
but we rise up and stand firm.
9O LORD, savea the king.
Answer us on the day we call.

One has to wonder if Musk bought Twitter in part, to expose some of the things he's currently bringing to light.

[Robert]

One has to wonder if Musk bought Twitter in part, to expose some of the things he's currently bringing to light.

I honestly think he bought it for down the road tech purposes. I think what he found bothered him so much he us just feeling the need to dump all the corruption that was taking place. Elon Musk is not a altruistic person, but he does have some good foundational principles he works from. I listened to his Babylon Bee interview and he shares some of that there.

[Sliceitup]

I will admit that I did not believe, whatsoever, that Hunter Biden left a laptop that was then found. I didn’t believe the story at all. Now I do.
I think it is evidence of collusion between the liberal media and the Democratic Party.

What changed your mind?

[RZehr]

I will admit that I did not believe, whatsoever, that Hunter Biden left a laptop that was then found. I didn’t believe the story at all. Now I do.
I think it is evidence of collusion between the liberal media and the Democratic Party.

What changed your mind?

I don’t know specifically. All I know, is that in 2020, I didn’t even believe that any laptop or files even existed at all. The whole thing reeked of just one more lie from the wingnutiest wing of the Republican Party. I figured Giuliani and his ilk fabricated it out of whole cloth.

Now, I believe that a laptop probably did exist. And that the media discredited it because it wasn’t helping the liberals. If it helped the liberals, the media would have fluffed, and puffed up any shred of evidence or misdeeds into, oh, 2500% to 4500%, like they did nonstop with the “illegal Russian collusion”.

*Do I think there was Russian collusion? No. Do I think the Trump campaign cared about legalities, or would have told the Russians no? No I don’t. So, while the Trump campaign was quite unethical and criminally prone, I don’t know of any actual, specific “collusion” that was proven. And this fact is an example of the media bias that so thoroughly disposes of any shred of credibility that the media thinks may still exist in journalism.

[temporal1]

Musk is over there misbehaving again.

He really is in Babylon Bee’s league. With everything else he does. Not many could meet that challenge.

[Ken]

I will admit that I did not believe, whatsoever, that Hunter Biden left a laptop that was then found. I didn’t believe the story at all. Now I do.
I think it is evidence of collusion between the liberal media and the Democratic Party.

What changed your mind?

I don’t know specifically. All I know, is that in 2020, I didn’t even believe that any laptop or files even existed at all. The whole thing reeked of just one more lie from the wingnutiest wing of the Republican Party. I figured Giuliani and his ilk fabricated it out of whole cloth.

Now, I believe that a laptop probably did exist. And that the media discredited it because it wasn’t helping the liberals. If it helped the liberals, the media would have fluffed, and puffed up any shred of evidence or misdeeds into, oh, 2500% to 4500%, like they did nonstop with the “illegal Russian collusion”.

*Do I think there was Russian collusion? No. Do I think the Trump campaign cared about legalities, or would have told the Russians no? No I don’t. So, while the Trump campaign was quite unethical and criminally prone, I don’t know of any actual, specific “collusion” that was proven. And this fact is an example of the media bias that so thoroughly disposes of any shred of credibility that the media thinks may still exist in journalism.

I think the more accurate narrative is that in the 2016 elections, the media had the Steele Dossier dropped into the election at the last minute, some of which turned out to be true and some of which turned out to be unverifiable speculation. The media received a lot of criticism for reporting on on the Steele Dossier. And they tightened up their reporting standards for late-dropping elections information so they wouldn't be caught unintentionally amplifying deliberate misinformation.

Consequently, during the closing days of the 2020 election when the Hunter Biden laptop story broke the media were understandably reluctant to pursue another rabbit trail or prematurely report on something that could be either wrong or deliberate disinformation. Remember that when this came out in October 2020, the sole source was Rudy Giuliani who was eyeballs deep in Trump's attempt to extort Ukraine to gin up a false investigation of Biden. So hardly an impartial source. Whatever subsequent verification of the story you think has happened since, remember that in October 2020 when this actually mattered the media had no way to verify any part of the story because Rudy Giuliani refused to allow anyone else to even see the files. That itself raised very reasonable suspicions.

You can't simultaneously criticize the media for uncritically reporting the Steele Dossier (what Trump calls the Russia Hoax) while simultaneously criticizing them for backing off on reporting on the Hunter Biden laptop story when none of the information could be validated because Rudy Giuliani refused to share it with any other media outlets. Both were late-breaking elections "bombshells" that the media had no way to validate either of them at that time.

[nett]

What changed your mind?

I don’t know specifically. All I know, is that in 2020, I didn’t even believe that any laptop or files even existed at all. The whole thing reeked of just one more lie from the wingnutiest wing of the Republican Party. I figured Giuliani and his ilk fabricated it out of whole cloth.

Now, I believe that a laptop probably did exist. And that the media discredited it because it wasn’t helping the liberals. If it helped the liberals, the media would have fluffed, and puffed up any shred of evidence or misdeeds into, oh, 2500% to 4500%, like they did nonstop with the “illegal Russian collusion”.

*Do I think there was Russian collusion? No. Do I think the Trump campaign cared about legalities, or would have told the Russians no? No I don’t. So, while the Trump campaign was quite unethical and criminally prone, I don’t know of any actual, specific “collusion” that was proven. And this fact is an example of the media bias that so thoroughly disposes of any shred of credibility that the media thinks may still exist in journalism.

I think the more accurate narrative is that in the 2016 elections the media had the Steele Dossier dropped into the election at the last minute, some of which turned out to be true and some of which turned out to be unverifiable speculation. The media received a lot of criticism for reporting on on the Steele Dossier. And they tightened up their reporting standards for late-dropping elections information so they wouldn't be caught unintentionally amplifying deliberate misinformation.

Consequently, during the closing days of the 2020 election when the Hunter Biden laptop story broke the media were understandably reluctant to pursue another rabbit trail or prematurely report on something that could be either wrong or deliberate disinformation. Remember that when this came out in October 2020, the sole source was Rudy Giuliani who was eyeballs deep in Trump's attempt to extort Ukraine to gin up a false investigation of Biden. So hardly an impartial source. Whatever subsequent verification of the story you think has happened since, remember that in October 2020 when this actually mattered the media had no way to verify any part of the story because Rudy Giuliani refused to allow anyone else to even see the files. That itself raised very reasonable suspicions.

You can't simultaneously criticize the media for uncritically reporting the Steele Dossier (what Trump calls the Russia Hoax) while simultaneously criticizing them for backing off on reporting on the Hunter Biden laptop story when none of the information could be validated because Rudy Giuliani refused to share it with any other media outlets. Both were late-breaking elections "bombshells" that the media had no way to validate at that time.

The FBI, and members of the media knew the Steele Dossier to be fabricated before it was widely reported on. The Hunter Biden laptop has all since been verified. If you really see a parallel between these two, I believe you are blindfolded by partisanship.

[Ken]

I don’t know specifically. All I know, is that in 2020, I didn’t even believe that any laptop or files even existed at all. The whole thing reeked of just one more lie from the wingnutiest wing of the Republican Party. I figured Giuliani and his ilk fabricated it out of whole cloth.

Now, I believe that a laptop probably did exist. And that the media discredited it because it wasn’t helping the liberals. If it helped the liberals, the media would have fluffed, and puffed up any shred of evidence or misdeeds into, oh, 2500% to 4500%, like they did nonstop with the “illegal Russian collusion”.

*Do I think there was Russian collusion? No. Do I think the Trump campaign cared about legalities, or would have told the Russians no? No I don’t. So, while the Trump campaign was quite unethical and criminally prone, I don’t know of any actual, specific “collusion” that was proven. And this fact is an example of the media bias that so thoroughly disposes of any shred of credibility that the media thinks may still exist in journalism.

I think the more accurate narrative is that in the 2016 elections the media had the Steele Dossier dropped into the election at the last minute, some of which turned out to be true and some of which turned out to be unverifiable speculation. The media received a lot of criticism for reporting on on the Steele Dossier. And they tightened up their reporting standards for late-dropping elections information so they wouldn't be caught unintentionally amplifying deliberate misinformation.

Consequently, during the closing days of the 2020 election when the Hunter Biden laptop story broke the media were understandably reluctant to pursue another rabbit trail or prematurely report on something that could be either wrong or deliberate disinformation. Remember that when this came out in October 2020, the sole source was Rudy Giuliani who was eyeballs deep in Trump's attempt to extort Ukraine to gin up a false investigation of Biden. So hardly an impartial source. Whatever subsequent verification of the story you think has happened since, remember that in October 2020 when this actually mattered the media had no way to verify any part of the story because Rudy Giuliani refused to allow anyone else to even see the files. That itself raised very reasonable suspicions.

You can't simultaneously criticize the media for uncritically reporting the Steele Dossier (what Trump calls the Russia Hoax) while simultaneously criticizing them for backing off on reporting on the Hunter Biden laptop story when none of the information could be validated because Rudy Giuliani refused to share it with any other media outlets. Both were late-breaking elections "bombshells" that the media had no way to validate at that time.

The FBI, and members of the media knew the Steele Dossier to be fabricated before it was widely reported on. The Hunter Biden laptop has all since been verified. If you really see a parallel between these two, I believe you are blindfolded by partisanship.

None of what you just wrote is true.

The Steele Dossier was not fabricated. It merely contained some allegations that could not be verified. Some of the allegations have been proven true. Some have been unverified. But not one of the allegations contained in the Steele Dossier have actually been disproven. Even FOX News hsa admitted this. Essentially it is a series of intelligence data that states" Sources allege...." At the worst, Steele has been criticized for overstating some of the claims that his sources alleged.

Likewise the Hunter Biden files have not all since been verified. Media sources that have subsequently analyzed the files long after the 2020 election have concluded that many of the emails and files appear authentic. But they are unable to verify that all of the contents are legitimately Hunter Biden's and haven't been altered in any way. In fact, there have been various copies of these files circulating around in which various edits had been made after the date in which they were apparently obtained.

But none of that is actually relevant to the question at hand. "The relevant question is whether the press could verify both sources of information when both stories dropped in the days leading up to the 2016 and 2020 elections. In both cases they could not.

What standard do you want to hold the press to when it comes to reporting late-breaking elections information? What level of verification should they apply before reporting scandalous information? It is a simple question.

[temporal1]

One has to wonder if Musk bought Twitter in part, to expose some of the things he's currently bringing to light.

I honestly think he bought it for down the road tech purposes.
I think what he found bothered him so much he us just feeling the need to dump all the corruption that was taking place.

Elon Musk is not a altruistic person, but he does have some good foundational principles he works from.

I listened to his Babylon Bee interview and he shares some of that there.

It’s hard or impossible for me to think he just stumbled onto this “crime scene.” (i imagine) he had inside information, possibly over years, before closing the deal (?) This may never be known, and, doesn’t need to be.

He comes across as thoroughly prepared to respond to the major blowback thrown at him. With grounded coolheadedness that is found in confidence. None of this suggests any of this was by surprise. He really seems to know this situation AND the filthy filthy players inside-out. It should not be underestimated, his life could be at risk. His demeanor is clever boyish charm. In fact, he’s stepping on big toes.

If it doesn’t work out, he needs to apply for work at the Babylon Bee.
Wait! - Twitter banned the Bee.

Well. It appears Musk did not land a moment too soon.

[temporal1]

I will admit that I did not believe, whatsoever, that Hunter Biden left a laptop that was then found. I didn’t believe the story at all.
Now I do.
I think it is evidence of collusion between the liberal media and the Democratic Party.

Same thing happened with the Rittenhouse story, George Floyd, (Hands up, don't shoot) I can't remember the name right now, and the favorite cry "Russia".

Along with many other stories.
They are extremely distorted and a fake narrative is created.
Time and time again, it comes out that it is fake and distorted by the media and "influencers" yet when it finally comes out to be false, most have moved on and just ignore the facts of the case.

Many just keep believing those who gave them the false narrative because they can not believe that they would so blatantly lie.
Those creating these false narratives knows it plays into many peoples belief systems and they use that to manipulate the uninformed with quick headlines and flat out lies in stories.

What is happening right now is Twitter is releasing files to prove what many have been seeing and claiming for years.

Now there is clear proof.
Elon Musk even tweeted that Twitter is a crime scene right now.
He clearly sees and knows. It is as bad as many have been claiming.

There is a "cabal" of media, tech, and government that has been lying, distorting and manipulating many uninformed, and some informed yet easily manipulated.

I am NOT saying Trump or the Republicans are angels. By no means.
I hope he does not run again. I just know he is not as evil as Hitler or any way close.

President Biden did not even campaign, stayed locked up in a basement and got 10 million more votes than President Obama who caused massive amounts of minorities and young voters to vote, had massive rallies and handled himself pretty well on the national stage.

Yes, some would vote AGAINST Trump, but I can not see 10 million doing that.
One has to remember that Trump got more votes that election than any other candidate in history except for Biden.

We are at an inflection point. Now that there is proof.
If nothing changes, there will be violence.

It will not be because proof has been released. It will be because proof has been released and NOTHING was done about it.
A two tiered justice system. We already know it exists. If it perpetuates, there will be repercussions.

Not from me. I just sit back and watch the mess.

Some scream January 6! What about May 29th?
The President had to be removed to the underground bunker.
They breached the walls of the Whitehouse.
A guard tower was burned down.
Multiple Secret Service agents were injured.
An historic church across the street was burned.

Care to search for information about it? It is quite hard to find. Why? Few reported on it.
It was a one and done and just ignored by the press because it did not further the narrative.

The populous is being played. Do not fall for it.

Both events were bad.
I do not see one worse than the other.
Yet, those who participated with J6 have been locked up with NO bail for 2 years
while those held for May 29th were released and charges dropped.

Can you not see how this is not a fair justice system?

All Twitter and Musk is doing right now is showing the lies. It is clear evidence.

Careful who you trust.
You are being lied to and manipulated.

I know it is hard to believe. We grow up thinking we are in a free, honorable system.
That is the lie that has allowed many of us to be manipulated.

It has taken a billionaire president and a billionaire tech giant to reveal the truth.

Neither had to do it. Both could have just lived their life and been happy and comfortable.
Both jumped into the system to reveal the wizard/s behind the curtains.

I do not agree with some of their life choices and actions, but I can and do respect them for that.
Two billionaires may help right the ship.

I personally think it is too far gone to right [to correct?]. I think the American Experiment is over.

I think it has been over for a while, just most are in denial. [death throes?]
We have the skeleton of it left, but the meat is all gone. Only thing we can do is get a little marrow out to feed us in the last days.

I do not see it feeding us since there is nothing left but $30 trillion in debt.

Psalm 20
1May the LORD answer you in the day of trouble;
may the name of the God of Jacob protect you.
2May He send you help from the sanctuary
and sustain you from Zion.
3May He remember all your gifts
and look favorably on your burnt offerings.

4May He give you the desires of your heart
and make all your plans succeed.
5May we shout for joy at your victory
and raise a banner in the name of our God.
May the LORD grant all your petitions.
6Now I know that the LORD saves His anointed;
He answers him from His holy heaven
with the saving power of His right hand.
7Some trust in chariots and others in horses,
but we trust in the name of the LORD our God.

8They collapse and fall,
but we rise up and stand firm.
9O LORD, savea the king.
Answer us on the day we call.

This bears repeating and thoughtfulness. And humble prayer.

Congress cannot fathom what $1 trillion represents. (i don’t believe it.) no math wizards in Congress.
Multiples of trillions is tantamount to admission “It’s over.” “We’ve lost our minds and will no longer pretend to be lucid.”