MaxPC wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 10:35 pm
Josh wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 3:48 pm
MaxPC wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 3:42 pm Indeed, this attempt to silence Bible reading, while unsuccessful this time, is a bellwether.
They will keep trying to undermine faith in the public square.
It has been attempted in the past and will be attempted again, make no mistake.
And it comes on the heels of a new law in the UK prohibiting praying the rosary anywhere near abortion clinics.
I can’t think of something less violent or less harassing than silently praying the rosary.
Agreed and the anti-Christian efforts by the government will not stop there.
They won’t stop because faith makes no sense to them.
Just like CO status cannot be understood by many, they would do away with it, because they don’t understand it.
This is where Robert’s explanation of Constitutional Republics versus Democracies differ. Minority beliefs can be protected, when the simple majority (democracies) would simply vote them out of existence.
Banning praying the rosary, with a tangible rosary, is one baby step away from banning prayer - a cornerstone of Christianity, prayer is urged in all circumstances, even in extremes of physical persecution and death. Private prayer (is said to be allowed) in U.S. gov schools, presumably to greater+lesser degrees, dependent on individual schools/districts. Private prayer is like private thought. Unfortunately, the thought police are not mythical.
i’d heard of FFR/Freedom From Religion, ADF/Alliance Defending Religion is new to me.
FFR exists to legally eliminate religion (from the face of the earth, i guess).
A pesky complication for them in the U.S. happens to be that much of European migration was motivated by the deep desire to have freedom of (Christian) religion, not freedom from religion
[THE POWER OF PREPOSITIONS].
In the day, drama between Christians was extreme. Freedom OF religion was the focus, not atheism or other non-Abrahamic faiths.
Today, politically organized non-religious/non-Christian minorities dominate. That’s not where the U.S. began (they won’t tell).
Many Christians (i agree) are cautious about separation of church from state, FFR wholly exploits this. Prepositions matter.
Interesting case:
2011 /
Freedom From Religion Foundation v. Obama
Description: The Freedom From Religion Foundation filed a lawsuit seeking to strike down the National Day of Prayer.
https://adfmedia.org/case/freedom-relig ... on-v-obama
7th Circuit rejects lawsuit against National Day of Prayer
ADF filed friend-of-the-court brief on behalf of National Day of Prayer Task Force
Thursday, Apr 14, 2011
CHICAGO — The U.S. Court of Appeals for the 7th Circuit rejected a lawsuit filed by the Freedom From Religion Foundation that sought to strike down the National Day of Prayer. The court determined that “a feeling of alienation” was not sufficient legal grounds for the atheist group to file suit.
Alliance Defense Fund attorneys represented the private, non-profit National Day of Prayer Task Force in a friend-of-the-court brief filed with the 7th Circuit after prevailing in having then-chairperson Shirley Dobson dismissed from the lawsuit at the district court level.
“Public officials should be able to participate in public prayer activities just as America’s founders did,” said ADF Senior Counsel Kevin Theriot. “The 7th Circuit has clearly understood that the Freedom From Religion Foundation
simply had no legal standing to attack the federal statute setting a day for the National Day of Prayer simply because the group is offended by religion.”
The 7th Circuit vacated a federal judge’s ruling against the National Day of Prayer and sent the case back to district court with instructions to dismiss the lawsuit, originally filed against Dobson, President George W. Bush, and others.
In its opinion, the 7th Circuit found that “the ‘psychological consequence presumably produced by observation of conduct with which one disagrees’ is not an ‘injury’ for the purpose of standing…. Plaintiffs have not altered their conduct one whit or incurred any cost in time or money. All they have is disagreement with the President’s action. But unless all limits on standing are to be abandoned, a feeling of alienation cannot suffice as injury in fact.”
Last month, ADF attorneys authored a letter delivered to governors across the country, encouraging them to observe and participate in the 60th annual National Day of Prayer and explaining that they are on firm legal footing to do so.
On April 15, U.S. District Judge Barbara Crabb issued an opinion striking down the National Day of Prayer statute as violating the Establishment Clause of the U.S. Constitution. Crabb put a hold on her ruling until all appeals in the lawsuit, Freedom From Religion Foundation v. Obama, are exhausted. The Obama administration appealed the judge’s decision to the 7th Circuit the week after it was issued.
In 1952, President Harry Truman signed into law a joint resolution by Congress to set aside an annual National Day of Prayer.
Congress amended the law in 1988, which was signed by President Ronald Reagan, specifying that the annual event would be observed on “the first Thursday in May each year.”
Historically, including 2010, all 50 governors, along with U.S. presidents, have issued proclamations in honor of the National Day of Prayer.
^^Fascinating how clear this ruling is about “feelings” do not reign supreme in courts of law!
Imagine: It’s actually possible your feelings may be hurt!
So much has changed since 2011. legal miscreants have no rest. it must be miserable.
Freedom of religion. Prepositions.
There is no REQUIREMENT of prayer, national or individual. The resolution has been upheld over decades in nonpartisan politics.
Interesting that all 50 governors over decades have recognized the resolution. Will this continue? (It might.)
Interesting (to me) is noticing how many women are in FFR leadership, also female judges leaning with FFR.
Decades ago the promise was that women voting, women in leadership, politics, and the workplace would elevate civility, the public conscience, and morality. (sadly, i’m not seein’ it.)
i think experiments are fine.
i also think once results are known, it’s desirable+wise to revisit, make adjustments, reverse, based on results.
this is where human laws fall short. more could be done to efficiently allow for response to results, once known.
too many
experiments are written as law of the land, which makes them overly difficult to correct.
anyway. Christianity is under ongoing attack, just as scriptures warn. Jesus modeled the worst of it.
some have no other evident purpose other than to undermine Christians, they do not rest. Hebrews 4:10
not to be feared!
“the victory is ours” 1 Cor 15:57 - but, no sleeping, either 1 Thess 5:6 - pray for the wicked 2 Thess 3:2
