Although Pelosi is barred from receiving it in San Francisco by the city's conservative archbishop, Salvatore Cordileone, she regularly takes communion at a parish in Washington, D.C., where the archbishop of the U.S. capital allows it.
So MaxPC is wrong in his assertion that she is "no longer in communion and therefore, in the minds of many, no longer Catholic."
Well, Pelosi is from San Francisco, claims to represent San Francisco, and claims to live there. It would follow that the Archbishop of San Francisco holds jurisdiction over Nancy Pelosi as an individual.
Now whether or not she is "no longer Catholic" - the church would view her (or at least her archbishop would view her) as being in a sin and in need of confession, penance, and repentance, out of concern for her soul. "No longer Catholic" is an odd but understandable shorthand to express this.
It would also appear that the cardinal over D.C. is having a difference of opinion with the archbishop.
silentreader wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 8:53 am
According to The Canadian Press, which I am unable to link here, Pelosi did receive communion at the Vatican. I don't know when, but I believe it is today's release.
As reported here, it was a mass Mass and the priest likely had no idea who she was.
It’s hard to imagine NP being anywhere without making sure everyone present knew who she was/is.
i’ve seen brief recordings of Pope Francis saying he’s never denied Communion to anyone.
This report in Canada would not surprise me.
Also, no surprise that other Catholic leaders would not agree. No doubt, NP can get the religious performance she wants.
Although Pelosi is barred from receiving it in San Francisco by the city's conservative archbishop, Salvatore Cordileone, she regularly takes communion at a parish in Washington, D.C., where the archbishop of the U.S. capital allows it.
So MaxPC is wrong in his assertion that she is "no longer in communion and therefore, in the minds of many, no longer Catholic."
Well, Pelosi is from San Francisco, claims to represent San Francisco, and claims to live there. It would follow that the Archbishop of San Francisco holds jurisdiction over Nancy Pelosi as an individual.
Now whether or not she is "no longer Catholic" - the church would view her (or at least her archbishop would view her) as being in a sin and in need of confession, penance, and repentance, out of concern for her soul. "No longer Catholic" is an odd but understandable shorthand to express this.
It would also appear that the cardinal over D.C. is having a difference of opinion with the archbishop.
Yes, they seem to be like Anabaptists in that regard. Constantly bickering over points of doctrine.
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Ken wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 1:19 pm
So MaxPC is wrong in his assertion that she is "no longer in communion and therefore, in the minds of many, no longer Catholic."
Well, Pelosi is from San Francisco, claims to represent San Francisco, and claims to live there. It would follow that the Archbishop of San Francisco holds jurisdiction over Nancy Pelosi as an individual.
Now whether or not she is "no longer Catholic" - the church would view her (or at least her archbishop would view her) as being in a sin and in need of confession, penance, and repentance, out of concern for her soul. "No longer Catholic" is an odd but understandable shorthand to express this.
It would also appear that the cardinal over D.C. is having a difference of opinion with the archbishop.
Yes, they seem to be like Anabaptists in that regard. Constantly bickering over points of doctrine.
I don't think this is a debate of doctrine, but practice. The doctrine on abortion is not up for debate in the Catholic church.
silentreader wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 8:53 am
According to The Canadian Press, which I am unable to link here, Pelosi did receive communion at the Vatican. I don't know when, but I believe it is today's release.
As reported here, it was a mass Mass and the priest likely had no idea who she was.
nett wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 2:51 pmI don't think this is a debate of doctrine, but practice. The doctrine on abortion is not up for debate in the Catholic church.
We are talking about communion not abortion. And the practice of denying communion over political positions is, indeed, up for debate within the Catholic church. Pelosi is 82. I don't think she has personally had any abortions in at least 40 years, if ever.
And I would point out that she didn't go Rome to get communion on the sly as was suggested upstream. She had a personal reception with the pope and was seated in the VIP diplomatic section of St. Peter's Basilica. https://apnews.com/article/abortion-pop ... 4aacb60c6e
It has also been suggested that Pope Francis passed over Cordileone for elevation to Cardinal in part due to his political stands and politization of communion. I don't know enough about Catholic politics to know whether or not that is true. And I doubt anyone outside the Vatican would ever know.
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nett wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 2:51 pmI don't think this is a debate of doctrine, but practice. The doctrine on abortion is not up for debate in the Catholic church.
We are talking about communion not abortion. And the practice of denying communion over political positions is, indeed, up for debate within the Catholic church. Pelosi is 82. I don't think she has personally had any abortions in at least 40 years, if ever.
And I would point out that she didn't go Rome to get communion on the sly as was suggested upstream. She had a personal reception with the pope and was seated in the VIP diplomatic section of St. Peter's Basilica. https://apnews.com/article/abortion-pop ... 4aacb60c6e
It has also been suggested that Pope Francis passed over Cordileone for elevation to Cardinal in part due to his political stands and politization of communion. I don't know enough about Catholic politics to know whether or not that is true. And I doubt anyone outside the Vatican would ever know.
According to Catholic social teaching, for someone in political power to actively support abortion is sinful, and concern for their soul.
If a politician openly supported slavery, I'd hope they would be withdrawn from communion. (Of course, as Anabaptists, we wouldn't commune with any sitting politicians. But the apostolic churches have tried to make it possible for someone to be both a politician and a church member.)
