The real reason SBC lost members.

[joshuabgood]

https://apnews.com/article/baptist-reli ... 4c3dae3fd5

Beyond sad. What is done in the dark will be brought to light...as the song says...God's gonna cut you down.

Johnny Hunt used to preach at Liberty quite often, when I was there, against the evils of "drinking a beer" or "dancing." Clearly the "conservative resurgence" when it came actual institutional integrity and holiness was sadly lacking.

Russell took it on the chin when he confronted the SBC exec team about what he knew about these cover ups but the reality was even worse. Russell was accused of being a liberal, attacked publicly, and threatened for standing up to this.

It makes SBC larger culture wars ring hollow.

[Ken]

Here's another news story on the same subject from today's Houston Chronicle:

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/i ... 190816.php

Bombshell 400-page report finds Southern Baptist leaders routinely silenced sexual abuse survivors

For 20 years, leaders of the Southern Baptist Convention — including a former president now accused of sexual assault — routinely silenced and disparaged sexual abuse survivors, ignored calls for policies to stop predators, and dismissed reforms that they privately said could protect children but might cost the SBC money if abuse victims later sued.

Those are just a few findings of a bombshell, third-party investigation into decades of alleged misconduct by Southern Baptist leaders that was released Sunday, nearly a year after 15,000 SBC church delegates demanded their executive committee turn over confidential documents and communications as part of an independent review of abuse reports that were purportedly mishandled or concealed since 2000.

The historic, nearly 400-page report details how a small, insular and influential group of leaders “singularly focused on avoiding liability for the SBC to the exclusion of other considerations” to prevent abuse. The report was published by Guidepost Solutions, an independent firm that conducted 330 interviews and reviewed two decades of internal SBC files in the seven-month investigation.

. . .

Among the findings:

• A small group of SBC leaders routinely misled other members of the SBC’s executive committee on abuse issues, and rarely mentioned the frequent and persistent warnings and pleas for help from survivors. Fearing lawsuits, leaders similarly failed to inform the SBC’s 15 million members that predators and pedophiles were targeting churches.
• Longtime SBC leaders kept a private list of abusive pastors and ministers despite claiming for years that such an idea was impractical for stopping predators and impossible to adopt because of the SBC’s decentralized structure. Compiled since 2007, the roster contained the names of 703 offenders, most with an SBC connection. A few still work at churches in the SBC or other denominations.
• Former SBC President Johnny Hunt is accused of sexually assaulting a woman weeks after his presidential tenure ended in 2010. The woman said Hunt manipulated her into silence by saying a disclosure of the incident would harm the SBC’s churches. Four other people corroborated much of the woman’s allegations to Guidepost. Hunt denied the allegations, but resigned from the SBC’s North American Mission Board days before the report was published.

It is a very long story with a lot of sordid details. Click through to read the rest if you are interested.

[temporal1]

This means they are not special exceptions to carnal sin.

When i was first interested in Mennonites, following the 90’s priest abuse scandals, along with revelations in secular and gov groups and institutions, i HOPED Mennonites would be special exceptions. No. Not as a whole. i HOPED Mennonites had a special way.

Every human construct, bar none, requires active accountability and oversight.
Every one is vulnerable to sin. The more impossible it seems, the more likely it is to be true.

i’m very sorry to say.

Regarding membership, while carnal scandals are horrible+damaging, i’m more inclined to believe VB’s observations:

“The Coverup You Never Heard About” | Voddie Baucham / 18min



2019 Vote: SBC Resolution 9 (CRT and intersectionality)

2019 to 2022 = 3 years (old math)

[joshuabgood]

https://www.christianitytoday.com/news/ ... ivors.html

CT news report

https://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/20 ... moore.html

Russell Moore's take

[joshuabgood]

Who cannot now see the rot in a culture that mobilizes to exile churches that call a woman on staff a “pastor” or that invite a woman to speak from the pulpit on Mother’s Day, but dismisses rape and molestation as “distractions” and efforts to address them as violations of cherished church autonomy? In sectors of today’s SBC, women wearing leggings is a social media crisis; dealing with rape in the church is a distraction.

From Russell Moore...linked above. The two men that started the conservative resurgence are themselves implicated. Sad...

[joshuabgood]

This means they are not special exceptions to carnal sin.

When i was first interested in Mennonites, following the 90’s priest abuse scandals, along with revelations in secular and gov groups and institutions, i HOPED Mennonites would be special exceptions. No. Not as a whole. i HOPED Mennonites had a special way.

Every human construct, bar none, requires active accountability and oversight.
Every one is vulnerable to sin. The more impossible it seems, the more likely it is to be true.

i’m very sorry to say.

Regarding membership, while carnal scandals are horrible+damaging, i’m more inclined to believe VB’s observations:

“The Coverup You Never Heard About” | Voddie Baucham / 18min



2019 Vote: SBC Resolution 9 (CRT and intersectionality)

2019 to 2022 = 3 years (old math)

With all due respect, clergy sexual abuse is more damaging to the church and to Jesus than woke pastors.

[temporal1]

jbg:
With all due respect, clergy sexual abuse is more damaging to the church and to Jesus than woke pastors.

in the past, i would have agreed with you.
since the 1990’s, having witnessed scandal after scandal revealed, damage done, yet, churches+institutions survive, i’m no longer convinced.

Jesus is all about what to do about sin, all factors, all roles involved. it’s covered.

not to diminish the wrong of carnal sin. the latter is more insidious.

[barnhart]

Aweful. Just aweful. I'm a little taken back by the use of evangelical mission as a justification for sheltering abusers. I guess the thing you are proudest of is a great area of weakness.

[Sliceitup]

Aweful. Just aweful. I'm a little taken back by the use of evangelical mission as a justification for sheltering abusers. I guess the thing you are proudest of is a great area of weakness.

Isn’t that the exact same thing we hear when we ask for accountability from CAM? “Think of all the good they do…”

[temporal1]

Aweful. Just aweful. I'm a little taken back by the use of evangelical mission as a justification for sheltering abusers. I guess the thing you are proudest of is a great area of weakness.

Isn’t that the exact same thing we hear when we ask for accountability from CAM? “Think of all the good they do…”

just like clockwork. throughout history.
the internet upset old reliable patterns. it remains to be seen how much of an upset.