Bunny Trails

[Falco Underhill]

i did not view the video. who knows how many children/minors have? and worse.

i believe you are correct, if anything, conservative+behind reality, not speculating.
PNW middle schoolers are talking about bestiality. they are awash with carnal perversions.

Okay, I don't want to focus too much longer on this stuff, because too much becomes morbid.

But I checked out what you said and found an article about a middle school in Arizona in which many students are sharing illegal porn and bestiality porn with each other, and facing possible arrest and incarceration for sharing with fellow students.

On the other hand there's another story about how parents of another school are quite shocked by a sex-ed curriculum which they claim seems "too racey."

The sex-ed curriculum explores anything you can think of, including bestiality, but at least they also teach students safe sex to avoid diseases.

So, in one part of America school students are facing arrest for sharing illegal porn including bestiality while in another part of America middle school students are being taught by the school that it's okay to do these things as long as safe sex practices are being followed.

These are both recent stories, within the last year or so. Anyone interested just Google "middle school students bestiality" and see what news stories come up.

By the way, Temp, what does PNW stand for? Is that a reference to Seattle, aka., the Pacific Northwest?

[temporal1]

One major criticism I might have now about what I wrote back then is that perhaps I attributed too much conscious intent on the part of "Hegelians."

Many of them are probably just well intentioned, intelligent people, who would be appalled and heartbroken if they saw to what ends such arguments could be put by others.

i heartily agree.

this is my consistent hope when reading of all history.
those folks are not present to defend themselves, admit error, explain or repent!
the present+living need humility.

we (often haughty) “Monday morning quarterbacks” need to know, “in their shoes” it’s unlikely we would do better,
AND quite possibly, nowhere near as good. if i had to choose, i would guess the latter.

MUCH IS LOST TO GOOD INTENTIONS. so very much.

the worst being, after real life results are evident, to refuse to deny the error, refuse to mitigate damages, refuse to take a new path, esp to choose submission to God and His path.

instead, there’s digging in, doubling down, denying, expanding, God have mercy.

and, the millstones.

at least former generations generally knew about millstones.
today the majority exists in ignorance or denial or some sad combination.

[temporal1]

i did not view the video. who knows how many children/minors have? and worse.

i believe you are correct, if anything, conservative+behind reality, not speculating.
PNW middle schoolers are talking about bestiality. they are awash with carnal perversions.

Okay I don't want to focus much longer on this stuff, because too much becomes morbid.

But I checked out what you said and found an article about a middle school in Arizona in which many students are sharing illegal porn and bestiality porn with each other, and facing possible arrest and incarceration for sharing with fellow students.

On the other hand there's another story about how parents of another school are quite shocked by a sex-ed curriculum which they claim seems "too racey."

The sex-ed curriculum explores anything you can think of, including bestiality, but at least they also teach students safe sex to avoid diseases.

So, in one part of America school students are facing arrest for sharing illegal porn including bestiality while in another part of America middle school students are being taught by the school that it's okay to do these things as long as safe sex practices are being followed.

These are both recent stories, within the last year or so. Anyone interested just Google "middle school students bestiality" and see what news stories come up.

By the way, Temp, what does PNW stand for? Is that a reference to Seattle, aka., the Pacific Northwest?

Horrifying, but correct, as far as what i’ve noticed - increasingly in recent years.
i was not aware of the Arizona case, living in WA+IL, not much gets thru about more conservative states.

TOO GRAPHIC - FOR ADULTS! students cannot escape. (you cannot make this up.)

Your words cause me to think of the young mother at a grade school board meeting who had the audacity to read from a school library book - she was removed from the school board meeting!! Parents have been removed, arrested .. labeled domestic terrorists! - by the president.

Laws have been passed in some states, more to come, to remove parents from their children’s education!
THESE PEOPLE ARE WICKED.

and, they are well-educated, politically organized - they know how to assert MINORITY RULES thru force of the sword.
EVIL.

THIS IS NOT NEW. PARENTS+VOTERS ARE NOT AHEAD OF THE CURVE. not by a long shot.

PNW is Pacific NorthWest; Seattle (and Portland) are recognized world epicenters for depravity.

Years ago, i was surprised to read some believed the DOE should be shut down. Well. Understandable.
The pandemic became the closest thing to it i may ever see.
As a result, many parents decided to make changes, choosing home school and private schools - AND, evidently, more are deciding to attend school board meetings! Good for them.

Parents need not be alone.
Everyone who pays taxes has a vested interest in gov schools. By all means, visit school board meetings.
Better late than never.

[Ken]

My only point here is that some of us might be shocked to see to what purpose our own arguments can be used.

Example: When Hegel put his system into place did he foresee to what purpose Marx would put his system? Did he foresee the atheistic totalitarian governments and the gulags?

My guess is Hegel would have been genuinely shocked to see it. It probably wasn't anywhere near his intent, but there you have it, it happened!

My point is beware of slippery slopes! The gospel is more realistic about the potential for human depravity than many an enlightened secularist would give it credit for!

But you can make the same slippery slope argument equally well from the conservative or liberal viewpoint.

If we allow too much religious freedom we are on a slippery slope back to the days of 9 year old child brides, female genital mutilation, etc. Or that giving religious institutions too much say in American life is a slippery slope that leads back to the Inquisition and witchcraft trials.

There are always plenty of people who are willing to argue that too much freedom is a dangerous thing, whether it is religious freedom, freedom of speech, freedom of association, or privacy-related freedoms.

[temporal1]

[ken_sylvania]

That's kind of a distinction without a difference don't you think?

In both cases the court carved out specific exceptions for how the 14th Amendment DIDN'T apply for those groups. For women in the case of voting and the precedent was applied to other rights. And for blacks in the case of segregation, voting rights, and education, and other Jim Crow laws.

Could you explain how the authors of the 14th amendment intended to make sure gay marriage is legal?

The authors of the 14th Amendment wrote a blanket guarantee of equal protection under the law that did not carve out specific groups for privilege or disadvantage:

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

They did not specify exemptions if you are a woman, if you are Black or Hispanic, or if you are gay, if you are elderly, or if you are a religious minority. They wrote it to apply to everyone. The text of the amendment says "any person." And the Supreme Court has agreed.

Neither the 14th Amendment nor the courts have said that gay marriage must be legal. What they have actually said is that if you are going to establish laws that privilege marriage in terms of inheritance, taxes, medical access, etc. Then you must not discriminate against gay people. The state could just as easily get out of the business of regulating and privileging marriage and make it a purely private non-governmental issue and that would be fine too.

I wasn't aware that there was ever any state regulation or practice that forbade gay people from getting married. In fact, gay people have always had exactly the same marriage rights as straight people.

[Falco Underhill]

But you can make the same slippery slope argument equally well from the conservative or liberal viewpoint.

Oh, of course, and both arguments would have some merit to them, too.

I believe it was Martin Luther who once said that all of humanity is like a drunken man, who, after falling off one side of his horse, gets back up, and then falls off the other side!

The Bible's answer to the question of extremism of both sides -

23 Above all else, guard your heart,
for everything you do flows from it.
24 Keep your mouth free of perversity;
keep corrupt talk far from your lips.
25 Let your eyes look straight ahead;
fix your gaze directly before you.
26 Give careful thought to the[c] paths for your feet
and be steadfast in all your ways.
27 Do not turn to the right or the left;
keep your foot from evil.

— Proverbs ch. 4

Our eyes are fixed on the heavenly Jerusalem not an earthly one.

And the only anchor for our soul that can help us keep our feet steady on the path between the extremes is Christ.
That's how I see it.

Avoid perversity and extremes. The way of the world is broad, to the right and to the left, of the narrow path between them.

There are always plenty of people who are willing to argue that too much freedom is a dangerous thing, whether it is religious freedom, freedom of speech, freedom of association, or privacy-related freedoms.

There's no doubt too much freedom can be a dangerous thing, just as too much control can be a dangerous thing.

Western rule of law is designed to avoid the pitfalls of license (radical individualism) on the one hand, and tyranny authoritarianism on the other. Both are a potential threat to our system of "ordered liberty" (as that phrase occurs in the U.S. Supreme Court draft.)

[temporal1]

re: slippery slopes

Oh, of course, and both arguments would have some merit to them, too.

I believe it was Martin Luther who once said that all of humanity is like a drunken man, who, after falling off one side of his horse,
gets back up, and then falls off the other side!

The Bible's answer to the question of extremism of both sides -

23 Above all else, guard your heart,
for everything you do flows from it.
24 Keep your mouth free of perversity;
keep corrupt talk far from your lips.
25 Let your eyes look straight ahead;
fix your gaze directly before you.
26 Give careful thought to the[c] paths for your feet
and be steadfast in all your ways.
27 Do not turn to the right or the left;
keep your foot from evil.

— Proverbs ch. 4

Our eyes are fixed on the heavenly Jerusalem not an earthly one.

And the only anchor for our soul that can help us keep our feet steady on the path between the extremes is Christ.
That's how I see it.

Avoid perversity and extremes.
The way of the world is broad, to the right and to the left, of the narrow path between them.

There are always plenty of people who are willing to argue that too much freedom is a dangerous thing, whether it is religious freedom, freedom of speech, freedom of association, or privacy-related freedoms.

There's no doubt too much freedom can be a dangerous thing, just as too much control can be a dangerous thing.

Western rule of law is designed to avoid the pitfalls of license (radical individualism) on the one hand,
and tyranny authoritarianism on the other.

Both are a potential threat to our system of "ordered liberty" (as that phrase occurs in the U.S. Supreme Court draft.)

Diamond.


i’m so grateful you have not abandoned this forum - which deserves abandonment! and has been abandoned by many.
patience. patience. (possibly my most frequent prayer is for patience.)

it’s kinda easy to imagine the above quote is Martin Luther’s, isn’t it?! o.my.goodness, yes.

[temporal1]

Ben Shapiro / The Real Reason Children Died In Uvalde | Ep. 1504 / 56min (a few ads mixed in)

[temporal1]

^^^ Ben Shapiro addresses various PREVENTION options, most more than obvious.

For myself, i see no reason for gov schools to not have armed security - to match courthouses, airports, Congress, etc.
Some churches!!

Why would gov schools be the EXCEPTION to armed security?
Once schoolgrounds are left, LOCAL POLICE are on the spot in every community, large or small.

Why should gov schools supply the “fish in the barrel” these deranged COWARDS love??
The COWARDS that “dress up” for their dramatic roles of shooting fish in a barrel.

Even young children understand the cowardice of shooting fish in a barrel. Does not require literacy.

Divisive politics is killing children.