What they wore

[Sliceitup]

Perhaps the root problem is whether these perpetrators have ever been born again or if the local church is preaching of this terrible sinning. What one tries to get away with in secret will all be exposed some day when we are judged. Some preaching on how we can't hide our sinning from God should have an affect on a believer who is not convicted of their secret sinning.

I’ve had enough exposure to these conservative groups that I assure you they have all heard that you can’t hide your sin from God. The Church isn’t exactly wishy washy on what kind of sexual deeds are sinful. Most of them speak about the importance of being born again. These people are saturated in both teachings and preaching about the Bible. If they can’t get this right, then perhaps it’s not because of a lack of religious dedication and teachings.

[RZehr]

Is an official study and a movie/documentary the same thing in your mind? Because they are wildly different things in my mind.
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No, the two aren’t remotely close to the same thing. Not sure where you got that idea.
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Because you mentioned both. It wasn’t clear to me what you meant, if they were both happening, or not.

[steve-in-kville]

There's documentaries, movies based on true stories, and now there are hybrids- but don't as me what makes them hybrids

[Sliceitup]

Is an official study and a movie/documentary the same thing in your mind? Because they are wildly different things in my mind.

No, the two aren’t remotely close to the same thing. Not sure where you got that idea.
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Because you mentioned both. It wasn’t clear to me what you meant, if they were both happening, or not.
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Sorry to have confused you. There is a documentary being made, possibly even two of them. Separate from that, there is also a study being done.

[Sliceitup]

Link to the documentary trailer, just released today

[Josh]

I don’t have much respect for a documentary which calls itself “Sins of the <ethno-religious group>”.

Maybe next we can have documentaries called “Sins of the Muslims”, “Sins of the Jews”, or “Sins of the Hindus”.

[Neto]

It is simply a human problem - sin.

Also, there are exceptions to every "generalized rule" that someone creates, and I would imagine that it is probably true that the degree of dress or undress does, at least in some cases (perhaps even a large percentage), factor into the 'likelihood" of sexual violence of this type (rape) taking place. Maybe I wasn't suppose to say that, because people will think I'm terrible, or trying to dismiss the importance of cases where it DOES happen to someone who is even very modestly dressed. Not at all. I just do not agree with the idea that it is not a factor at all. It seems to me that the unspoken reason for this line of argument is that dress (or undress) matters not at all. In a sinless world, that would be true, but we do not live in such a world.

[Sliceitup]

I don’t have much respect for a documentary which calls itself “Sins of the <ethno-religious group>”.

Maybe next we can have documentaries called “Sins of the Muslims”, “Sins of the Jews”, or “Sins of the Hindus”.

Oh Josh, you’re the gift that keeps on giving. Because yes, let’s focus on the most trivial, inane issue. You sound so much like the ‘but what was she wearing?’ crowd.

[Sliceitup]

It is simply a human problem - sin.

Also, there are exceptions to every "generalized rule" that someone creates, and I would imagine that it is probably true that the degree of dress or undress does, at least in some cases (perhaps even a large percentage), factor into the 'likelihood" of sexual violence of this type (rape) taking place. Maybe I wasn't suppose to say that, because people will think I'm terrible, or trying to dismiss the importance of cases where it DOES happen to someone who is even very modestly dressed. Not at all. I just do not agree with the idea that it is not a factor at all. It seems to me that the unspoken reason for this line of argument is that dress (or undress) matters not at all. In a sinless world, that would be true, but we do not live in such a world.

I would suggest that dress, or rather undress, makes a difference only in places where men/perpetrators have been taught that a women with few clothes is ‘not valuing herself.’ So, I think maybe the problem then is not undress, but improper teachings. If people can see humans, rather than the amount of clothing, then the dress will never be the issue.

[GaryK]

It is simply a human problem - sin.

Also, there are exceptions to every "generalized rule" that someone creates, and I would imagine that it is probably true that the degree of dress or undress does, at least in some cases (perhaps even a large percentage), factor into the 'likelihood" of sexual violence of this type (rape) taking place. Maybe I wasn't suppose to say that, because people will think I'm terrible, or trying to dismiss the importance of cases where it DOES happen to someone who is even very modestly dressed. Not at all. I just do not agree with the idea that it is not a factor at all. It seems to me that the unspoken reason for this line of argument is that dress (or undress) matters not at all. In a sinless world, that would be true, but we do not live in such a world.

I would suggest that dress, or rather undress, makes a difference only in places where men/perpetrators have been taught that a women with few clothes is ‘not valuing herself.’ So, I think maybe the problem then is not undress, but improper teachings. If people can see humans, rather than the amount of clothing, then the dress will never be the issue.

It seems you are suggesting that men in general do not lust after scantily dressed women unless they've been taught that women should dress modestly. Is that your view?