Russia Invades Ukraine 2022

Things that are not part of politics happening presently and how we approach or address it as Anabaptists.
temporal1

Re: Russia Invades Ukraine 2022

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mike wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 5:47 pm Twitter is full of pictures and videos of weaponry headed for Ukraine via Poland. I just noticed a prominent Ukrainian account begging for people not to post these images, to keep the Russians from knowing what is headed their way. It sounds like some severe battles are coming

:arrow: and it gives me a sinking feeling in the pit of my stomach.

i found this helpful from Voddie Bauchman.
At about 9min., he refers to “Liberation Theology” (which has many strong adherents).

“Putin Doesn't Know What's Coming” | Voddie Baucham / 15min.


He references different scriptural accounts, i’m surprised he did not include Jesus in the NT, crying out to His Father.
Matthew 27:46 / Mark 15:34 / Luke 23:46 (and more)
https://biblehub.com/matthew/27-46.htm
45From the sixth hour until the ninth hour darkness came over all the land.

46 About the ninth hour Jesus cried out in a loud voice, “Eli, Eli, lema sabachthani?”
which means, “My God, My God, why have You forsaken Me?”

47When some of those standing there heard this, they said, “He is calling Elijah.”…
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mike

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According to this thread, a massive amount of freight is moving inside Ukraine. Also, the US has authorized shipments of artillery, armored personnel carriers, and helicopters to Ukraine.

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Szdfan

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temporal1 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 13, 2022 3:15 pm If NATO were just a great thing, why wouldn’t have all these countries joined decades/years ago?
This seems late in the day for a no-brainer (as now presented).

Questions of NATO over reach in years prior to Feb 24 are ignored. i suspect that’s a mistake.
Not all European countries are part of NATO. Sweden and Finland were neutral. That's changing because of the threat that Russia now presents. As I said before, the Russian invasion of Ukraine unfortunately justifies the need for NATO.
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Ernie

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Ken wrote: ↑Wed Apr 13, 2022 11:27 amAfter watching what is happening in Ukraine I would want to join NATO if I was Finnish. Russia thinks it has historic claims to Finland as well.
I would not. Staying neutral with countries protecting that neutrality seems to be a better approach than trying to join NATO at this point in history. Wanting to join NATO is what tipped Russia in favor of invading Ukraine.
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temporal1

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Josh wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 10:33 pm It’s not about Ukraine.
It’s about the West’s desire for global dominance over the whole world and submission to the West’s pro-LGBT anti-religious agenda.

1997 / Minimum Requirements for NATO Membership
https://1997-2001.state.gov/regions/eur/fs_members.html

Item #1 states, yes, they are the Left-West is that petty.
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Ken
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Re: Russia Invades Ukraine 2022

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Ernie wrote: ↑Wed Apr 13, 2022 3:43 pm
Ken wrote: ↑Wed Apr 13, 2022 11:27 amAfter watching what is happening in Ukraine I would want to join NATO if I was Finnish. Russia thinks it has historic claims to Finland as well.
I would not. Staying neutral with countries protecting that neutrality seems to be a better approach than trying to join NATO at this point in history. Wanting to join NATO is what tipped Russia in favor of invading Ukraine.
Ukraine was not in NATO. Who is protecting their neutrality?

The Finns and Swedes are not fools. They know there is no one out there to "protect their neutrality" as you phrase it. The only actual protection is to form alliances with your neighbors. Which is what NATO is.

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temporal1

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Josh wrote: ↑Fri Mar 18, 2022 1:52 pm We keep hearing the rest of the world “needs” the west.

Let’s ask the real question: why?

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mike wrote: ↑Fri Mar 18, 2022 1:58 pm
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Dan Z wrote: ↑Fri Mar 18, 2022 2:02 pm
Josh wrote: ↑Fri Mar 18, 2022 1:30 pm
Dan Z wrote: ↑Fri Mar 18, 2022 1:02 pm For everyone's sake, I would love to see this invasion "run out of its stockpile of missiles."
Since we are Americans, perhaps we should instead love to see our nation run out of missiles.
Instead, America is supplying munitions and missiles to the Ukraine military. Do you think this is morally acceptable?
I am generally not in favor of trying to put out a fire with gasoline.
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Josh wrote: ↑Fri Mar 18, 2022 4:12 pm Ukraine seems to be demanding the rest of the world be willing to start WW3 on its behalf.
This is insane. .. ..
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temporal1

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Szdfan wrote: ↑Wed Apr 13, 2022 3:41 pm
temporal1 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 13, 2022 3:15 pm If NATO were just a great thing, why wouldn’t have all these countries joined decades/years ago?
This seems late in the day for a no-brainer (as now presented).

Questions of NATO over reach in years prior to Feb 24 are ignored. i suspect that’s a mistake.
Not all European countries are part of NATO. Sweden and Finland were neutral.
That's changing because of the threat that Russia now presents.

:arrow: As I said before, the Russian invasion of Ukraine unfortunately justifies the need for NATO.

This is a sort of (fatal) trap that’s common in secular reasoning.

Whenever human thinking defaults to, “it had to be,” this is excluding God’s promise that, in all circumstances, He will offer His Way out. He’s not teasing or playing games. It’s hard to let go and trust. i struggle as much as anyone.
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ohio jones

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Ken wrote: ↑Wed Apr 13, 2022 11:27 am After watching what is happening in Ukraine I would want to join NATO if I was Finnish. Russia thinks it has historic claims to Finland as well.
They probably figure that if they don't join NATO they will be Finnished.
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silentreader

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ohio jones wrote: ↑Wed Apr 13, 2022 4:46 pm
Ken wrote: ↑Wed Apr 13, 2022 11:27 am After watching what is happening in Ukraine I would want to join NATO if I was Finnish. Russia thinks it has historic claims to Finland as well.
They probably figure that if they don't join NATO they will be Finnished.
...so they're Russing to join up...
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