Russia Invades Ukraine 2022

Things that are not part of politics happening presently and how we approach or address it as Anabaptists.
Szdfan

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Per the Wall Street Journal, the situation in Russian occupied Ukraine is disastrous.

https://apple.news/A6oiNWwE0RdyxtErQjtBJ9Q
ZAPORIZHZHIA, Ukraine—Russian forces are killing civilians and looting stores and homes across occupied parts of southern Ukraine, residents said, as Moscow arrested elected local leaders and sought to replace them with pro-Russian collaborators.

People arriving here from Russian-held areas over the weekend described hungry and undisciplined Russian troops shooting unarmed villagers, breaking into supermarkets and shops, and raiding homes in search of food and valuables as their own supply lines have failed.

“They just brazenly come in, without any shame, and take whatever they want,” said Valentyna Khodus, 64, who came to Zaporizhzhia from the small village of Myrne after days hiding in the cellar with her daughter and grandson as Russian troops went door to door ransacking houses.

Two neighbors who were driving a car with a Ukrainian flag were shot and killed by a Russian patrol last week, she said. “It’s still there, on the roadside, and their bodies are still inside,” Ms. Khodus said.
Anti-Russian demonstrations in Russian occupied cities as the Russians attempt to replace local government with pro-Moscow officials. The mayors of Melitopol and Dniprorudne have allegedly been kidnapped by the Russians. I saw other reports that noted that the mayor of Melitopol was an ethic Russian.
Demonstrators in Melitopol said Russians were surprised at the level of popular discontent. “They can’t believe that people come out to protest without being paid and that we do not have a single leader,” said Tatiana Kumok, a 40-year-old designer of wedding dresses.
Russian soldiers in Myrne, she said, “had the gall to come and ask: Do you like us, do you appreciate that we have come to liberate you?”

“Not so much,” Ms. Khodus said fellow villagers replied. “We had no need for you.”

Anatolii Kurtiev, the acting mayor of Zaporizhzhia, said only a small part of the population, nostalgic for their Soviet-era youth, would work with the Russians.

“The Soviet occupation lasted 70 years, and some people still have a good memory of that time: It was safe, there was something to eat and something to drink,” he said. “But we are a different generation, and all that is not enough for us. What we need is freedom, freedom to live in our own country where nobody else tells us what to do.”
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Szdfan

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mike wrote: ↑Mon Mar 14, 2022 12:32 pm Competing claims





Status of war

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The Chinese deny there was a request.
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mike

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Szdfan wrote: ↑Mon Mar 14, 2022 12:45 pm The Chinese deny there was a request.
Really. It was widely reported. Are the Russians denying it, too?
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Soloist

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mike wrote: ↑Mon Mar 14, 2022 12:48 pm
Szdfan wrote: ↑Mon Mar 14, 2022 12:45 pm The Chinese deny there was a request.
Really. It was widely reported. Are the Russians denying it, too?
Widely reported by who? by the enemies of Russia.
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mike

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Soloist wrote: ↑Mon Mar 14, 2022 12:56 pm
mike wrote: ↑Mon Mar 14, 2022 12:48 pm
Szdfan wrote: ↑Mon Mar 14, 2022 12:45 pm The Chinese deny there was a request.
Really. It was widely reported. Are the Russians denying it, too?
Widely reported by who? by the enemies of Russia.
I found the answer to my question. Russia is denying it also.
When asked about remarks by U.S. officials who had said that Russia had asked China for military equipment, Peskov said: "No."

"Russia possesses its own independent potential to continue the operation. As we said, it is going according to plan and will be completed on time and in full."
If Russia and China both deny it, then it clearly didn't happen. *cough*
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ken_sylvania

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mike wrote: ↑Mon Mar 14, 2022 1:07 pm
Soloist wrote: ↑Mon Mar 14, 2022 12:56 pm
mike wrote: ↑Mon Mar 14, 2022 12:48 pm

Really. It was widely reported. Are the Russians denying it, too?
Widely reported by who? by the enemies of Russia.
I found the answer to my question. Russia is denying it also.
When asked about remarks by U.S. officials who had said that Russia had asked China for military equipment, Peskov said: "No."

"Russia possesses its own independent potential to continue the operation. As we said, it is going according to plan and will be completed on time and in full."
If Russia and China both deny it, then it clearly didn't happen. *cough*
No, because the US says it happened. And if US officials confirm it, then it clearly happened. *cough*
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Soloist

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Ya'll crack me up. We won't know the truth and there is no way to know the truth. Ukraine could easily take pictures of Chinese weapons and claim whatever they wanted.

The Russians historically believed the opposite of what the media said because they lied so regularly, we on the other hand swallow it whole without question.
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mike

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Soloist wrote: ↑Mon Mar 14, 2022 1:24 pm Ya'll crack me up. We won't know the truth and there is no way to know the truth. Ukraine could easily take pictures of Chinese weapons and claim whatever they wanted.

The Russians historically believed the opposite of what the media said because they lied so regularly, we on the other hand swallow it whole without question.
When I post a link to a news article, all I believe without question is that the report was made. I have no way of confirming whether the reports are true. Reporters aren't God. People and nations are devious in the information they release. Reporters have their own agenda. Always been that way. People will believe what they want to believe.
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Soloist

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mike wrote: ↑Mon Mar 14, 2022 1:31 pm
When I post a link to a news article, all I believe without question is that the report was made. I have no way of confirming whether the reports are true. Reporters aren't God. People and nations are devious in the information they release. Reporters have their own agenda. Always been that way. People will believe what they want to believe.
Yet, your opinion comes through your posts.
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mike

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Soloist wrote: ↑Mon Mar 14, 2022 1:33 pm
mike wrote: ↑Mon Mar 14, 2022 1:31 pm
When I post a link to a news article, all I believe without question is that the report was made. I have no way of confirming whether the reports are true. Reporters aren't God. People and nations are devious in the information they release. Reporters have their own agenda. Always been that way. People will believe what they want to believe.
Yet, your opinion comes through your posts.
I have biases
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