Josh wrote: ↑Thu Feb 17, 2022 8:03 am
I attracted a similar accusation, although later I found out the person thought it was a good thing and that I wold finally set things straight.
A few years back, some church people and I were interacting with a seeker who had negative things to say about more-mainstream churches. He bounced around between visiting different CM churches but seemed unwilling to commit to one. After he "left", I got to hear the "theory" about how this man was really undercover FBI.
Here in my simplicity, as a seeker I was primarily worrying about not appearing too interested in the girls. I had no idea I also had to prove I wasn't FBI!
Same experience here. I had no idea!
My habit of driving late model but base sedans like Impalas and Fusions with out of state plates may have supported this hypothesis.
Interestingly, now that I am married into a legacy Anabaptist family and have a child, there are those who still insist I’ve just gone deeper undercover.
Why would anyone think that the FBI has the slightest interest in infiltrating a tiny conservative Anabaptist church in some rural backwater? It doesn't even make sense. Are they just so shocked that some outsider might want to join that they jump to conspiracy theory explanations? Or is it something else?
I've been to a wide variety of churches over the years and to my knowledge, no one has ever thought that prospective new members were undercover operatives of some sort. To what end? So they can manipulate Sunday school lessons? Or monitor church volunteers at the local food bank, community garden, or meals on wheels?
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Josh wrote: ↑Mon Feb 21, 2022 2:35 pm
Well, my handler is about 7 1/2 years late on checking in with me to see how it's going.
Josh... Scrambled eggs...
No one ever bothered to verify my high school diploma, Military just assumed I had a GED but didn't bother checking that either. When I applied for university, I just did a AAOT and they couldn't care at all about my high school diploma. I have a legit diploma despite being homeschooled, but I personally think its not worth the paper its printed on. Nursing school, they cared about entrance exam and pre-recs, nothing else. Jobs haven't bothered to verify my diploma and rarely my job history. When I got enhanced screening for a security deployment, they called a little further but that was about it.
My work called me the other day because they thought my license was a few months expired... Oregon is great for proving your a nurse... no one seems to accept the proof Oregon actually gives you that you are licensed. Thus when all the wave of "nurses are heroes" I couldn't prove it good enough to even get a discount donut.
Soloist wrote: ↑Mon Feb 21, 2022 3:07 pmNo one ever bothered to verify my high school diploma, Military just assumed I had a GED but didn't bother checking that either. When I applied for university, I just did a AAOT and they couldn't care at all about my high school diploma. I have a legit diploma despite being homeschooled, but I personally think its not worth the paper its printed on. Nursing school, they cared about entrance exam and pre-recs, nothing else. Jobs haven't bothered to verify my diploma and rarely my job history. When I got enhanced screening for a security deployment, they called a little further but that was about it.
My work called me the other day because they thought my license was a few months expired... Oregon is great for proving your a nurse... no one seems to accept the proof Oregon actually gives you that you are licensed. Thus when all the wave of "nurses are heroes" I couldn't prove it good enough to even get a discount donut.
Impossible. Ken told me all these things are very diligently verified.
Josh wrote: ↑Mon Feb 21, 2022 2:35 pm
Well, my handler is about 7 1/2 years late on checking in with me to see how it's going.
Josh... Scrambled eggs...
No one ever bothered to verify my high school diploma, Military just assumed I had a GED but didn't bother checking that either. When I applied for university, I just did a AAOT and they couldn't care at all about my high school diploma. I have a legit diploma despite being homeschooled, but I personally think its not worth the paper its printed on. Nursing school, they cared about entrance exam and pre-recs, nothing else. Jobs haven't bothered to verify my diploma and rarely my job history. When I got enhanced screening for a security deployment, they called a little further but that was about it.
My work called me the other day because they thought my license was a few months expired... Oregon is great for proving your a nurse... no one seems to accept the proof Oregon actually gives you that you are licensed. Thus when all the wave of "nurses are heroes" I couldn't prove it good enough to even get a discount donut.
Every professional job application I have ever filled out asked me to document my education. Whether they actually check to verify every entry is a different issue, but if you submit a signed application that is fraudulent and it is ever discovered you are subject to not just being fired, but also prosecuted for fraud.
As for nursing licenses. They do require documentation of your education and degree as part of the application process. I was curious so I looked it up and they require what they call "primary source verification" of all of your educational and training credentials. Which means it must be sent by the school or hospital directly to the Oregon State Board of Nursing and not something the applicant can submit themselves. Obviously the process to renew a license or to transfer one from another state is simpler than obtaining that first original license: https://www.oregon.gov/osbn/Pages/apply-license.aspx
So hospitals don't really need to verify your educational credentials. The Oregon State Board of Nursing does that for them. Unless they need to do so for some other reason like salary placement. The state allows all employers to look up anyone's nursing credentials to verify. You can also look up anyone else's credentials including your own: https://osbn.oregon.gov/osbnverification/default.aspx Out of curiosity I just looked up my mother's license and it was there in the state database even though she last worked in OR in 1988.
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I've reviewed hundreds, probably thousands, of job applications.
Every professional job application I have ever filled out asked me to document my education. Whether they actually check to verify every entry is a different issue, but if you submit a signed application that is fraudulent and it is ever discovered you are subject to not just being fired, but also prosecuted for fraud.
I would say a majority of people I've interviewed had obvious fraud in their claims, made-up experience, fake credentials, etc. (at least one of these things). To my knowledge, not a single one of these people got prosecuted for fraud.
The idea people get prosecuted for made-up stuff on a job application is patently absurd. It just doesn't happen. I've had to spend my career working with lots of people with very obviously fake credentials, and nothing was done about it.
Josh wrote: ↑Mon Feb 21, 2022 4:38 pm
I've reviewed hundreds, probably thousands, of job applications.
Every professional job application I have ever filled out asked me to document my education. Whether they actually check to verify every entry is a different issue, but if you submit a signed application that is fraudulent and it is ever discovered you are subject to not just being fired, but also prosecuted for fraud.
I would say a majority of people I've interviewed had obvious fraud in their claims, made-up experience, fake credentials, etc. (at least one of these things). To my knowledge, not a single one of these people got prosecuted for fraud.
The idea people get prosecuted for made-up stuff on a job application is patently absurd. It just doesn't happen. I've had to spend my career working with lots of people with very obviously fake credentials, and nothing was done about it.
It is, of course, up to you as an employer to decide what you want to do when presented with fraudulent credentials. You can ignore it or you can turn them in and press charges. I expect that usually doesn't happen for job applicants, but it does sometimes happen when people are hired under false pretenses and then eventually caught.
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