Canada "emergency use": democratic or not?

[Signtist]

Signtist, how much of this civil unrest do you attribute to the rift between Anglo and Franco societies. I lived in Canada in the 90's during the Quebec referendum and I see that division running deep in Canadian society.

I don't see that being the case with the COVID mandate protests. There was peaceful protesting, by every nationality, of the mandates until last evening when police changed their tactics to violence. It was/is the most diverse group of people imaginable. I personally haven't heard any current civil unrest being attributed to the rift of which you speak.

[temporal1]

Signtist, how much of this civil unrest do you attribute to the rift between Anglo and Franco societies. I lived in Canada in the 90's during the Quebec referendum and I see that division running deep in Canadian society.

I don't see that being the case with the COVID mandate protests. There was peaceful protesting, by every nationality, of the mandates until last evening when police changed their tactics to violence. It was/is the most diverse group of people imaginable. I personally haven't heard any current civil unrest being attributed to the rift of which you speak.

From the start, this is a point convoy leaders have been particulary happy about. Signtist, i’m glad to read your experience aligns. Real people on the ground. Listen to their interviews/press conferences. They speak plainly. They address lots of questions.

And they are aware others are attempting every means possible to sabotage.

[barnhart]

Signtist, how much of this civil unrest do you attribute to the rift between Anglo and Franco societies. I lived in Canada in the 90's during the Quebec referendum and I see that division running deep in Canadian society.

I don't see that being the case with the COVID mandate protests. There was peaceful protesting, by every nationality, of the mandates until last evening when police changed their tactics to violence. It was/is the most diverse group of people imaginable. I personally haven't heard any current civil unrest being attributed to the rift of which you speak.

I don't doubt there were many groups represented, but how far would I need to look in Quebec City or Montreal to discover resentment over the occupation/protest of a government whose strongest roots are in Quebec by western Anglophones.

[Signtist]

Your question was about "this civil unrest." I guess I shared an opinion to the best of my knowledge. I can't speak for all French speaking Canadians, but they sure did send their share of supporters as well. You better believe there are Angelo's resenting the protests as well, for whatever that is worth.

[Robert]

The truckers have won in one way. Many mandates are dropping. They have won in another. PM Trudeau will not hold in the next elections. I think we will see the Liberal Party suffer as the Democratic Party in the US will suffer in 2022 elections. The heavy handed treatment in Ottawa the past few days will turn many who were on the line before.

PM Trudeau has really gotten a bad image in all this. I do not see him recovering.

[barnhart]

Your question was about "this civil unrest." I guess I shared an opinion to the best of my knowledge. I can't speak for all French speaking Canadians, but they sure did send their share of supporters as well. You better believe there are Angelo's resenting the protests as well, for whatever that is worth.

Fair enough.

[Robert]

Images like this will not be accepted by many Canadians.

[Signtist]

You're right, Robert. That image was burned in a lot of people's minds last night. Thankfully, she is reported to have gotten away with (only) a dislocated shoulder. She is full blooded Mohawk, another thing which should make this an interesting story.

The other image of a guy getting pulled into the police line, then pulled behind it and being beaten with the butt of a rifle won't be well tolerated either. Especially as he is reported to be a veteran.

Ottawa police force has good ones and bad ones. It's sure seen a leadership shuffle the past week. Chief of Police resigned. City Council hired an interim Chief who broke his contract before he even made it to the city. I believe it was 2 days, for which he does not seek to be compensated. The City councilor who hired him was fired, and at least one other councilor is reported to have walked away from council.

Some of those arrested last evening were arrested for mischief but hauled away and dumped about 20 minutes from the protest site.

The thing is, a lot of those police are not Ottawa Police Services staff, but brought in as a result of these Emergency Measures.

[temporal1]

Signtist, how much of this civil unrest do you attribute to the rift between Anglo and Franco societies. I lived in Canada in the 90's during the Quebec referendum and I see that division running deep in Canadian society.

I don't see that being the case with the COVID mandate protests. There was peaceful protesting, by every nationality, of the mandates until last evening when police changed their tactics to violence. It was/is the most diverse group of people imaginable. I personally haven't heard any current civil unrest being attributed to the rift of which you speak.

I don't doubt there were many groups represented, but how far would I need to look in Quebec City or Montreal to discover resentment over the occupation/protest of a government whose strongest roots are in Quebec by western Anglophones.

barnhart,
your questions seem seedy, at best.
i’m no authority on Canada, for sure. but, i vividly recall visiting Montreal in about 1970, i was a young woman, naive, ignorant, trusting, respectful, interested, excited to not only be traveling, but internationally, into Canada! i was mortified at what i saw, heard, and how we were treated, not speaking French. it was still a good trip, but, “rough,” for sure.

my daughter+family moved to Montreal for work in 2008. i warned them. i.e., i wanted them to know the history.
i visited in November 2008. it was completely different - for the positive. the first language there is obviously French.
but the anger and aggression were a non-issue. life went on.

my family was there for 2 years. my daughter+their baby did great. my sil had more problems. before taking the job, he was assured, “everything’s in English,” “all our meetings are in English.” that was not the case. he struggled with language. but he was treated fine, no complaints.

i believe convoy organizers and Signtist when they say the convoy phenom is having a “transcendent” effect, i believe, as i recall my mother explaining when i was very young in Cold War years, “everyday people everywhere have a lot in common.” “it’s politicians who drive divisions, press wars.” “everyday families don’t want their sons to go to war, war is what division is good for.”

i suggest restraint.

[Bootstrap]

Your question was about "this civil unrest." I guess I shared an opinion to the best of my knowledge. I can't speak for all French speaking Canadians, but they sure did send their share of supporters as well. You better believe there are Angelo's resenting the protests as well, for whatever that is worth.

Fair enough.

I think French-speaking Canadians might spell that "faire un oef".