Could you explain to me how feeding a meal to truckers on a convoy goes against the teachings of Jesus?Dan Z wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 12:57 pm Great question Sudsy.
While, as I stated, I am strongly sympathetic to the cause of freedom of conscience...I am concerned with how political causes like the trucker's convoy have the potential to suck Anabaptists into the soul-crushing ugliness of partisan politics. For example, I think the action of the Hutterites, in supporting the cause of the protesters, will likely draw them further into a carnal political worldview that is already taking root in their midst.
Meanwhile, in Canada
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Dan Z
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It's not the serving of the meal that concerns me - that's a kind Christian gesture by itself - it is what that gesture represents in terms of political involvement, and how that kind of involvement likely pulls Kingdom people toward non-kingdom causes. Correct me if you know otherwise, but from what I hear among the Hutterites that I know, feeding the truckers convoy was an act of solidarity with their political cause. It was certainly perceived that way by the world.Josh wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 10:19 amCould you explain to me how feeding a meal to truckers on a convoy goes against the teachings of Jesus?Dan Z wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 12:57 pm Great question Sudsy.
While, as I stated, I am strongly sympathetic to the cause of freedom of conscience...I am concerned with how political causes like the trucker's convoy have the potential to suck Anabaptists into the soul-crushing ugliness of partisan politics. For example, I think the action of the Hutterites, in supporting the cause of the protesters, will likely draw them further into a carnal political worldview that is already taking root in their midst.
During the Revolutionary and Civil wars, the Mennonites of Pennsylvania were known to provide meals for strangers as well, feeding and caring for soldiers and refugees regardless of their sympathies - they did not discriminate between feeding British or Colonial, Confederate of Union. That type of approach, extending kindness to friend and enemy alike, is the witness of Jesus and is more likely to reinforce a Kingdom perspective.
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So you would be fine with it if they did the same equally? or is it really the attention it drew? would they really receive much attention if they fed another political movement?Dan Z wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 11:08 am
It's not the serving of the meal that concerns me - that's a kind Christian gesture by itself - it is what that gesture represents in terms of political involvement, and how that kind of involvement likely pulls Kingdom people toward non-kingdom causes. Correct me if you know otherwise, but from what I hear among the Hutterites that I know, feeding the truckers convoy was an act of solidarity with their political cause. It was certainly perceived that way by the world.
During the Revolutionary and Civil wars, the Mennonites of Pennsylvania were known to provide meals for strangers as well, feeding and caring for soldiers and refugees regardless of their sympathies - they did not discriminate between feeding British or Colonial, Confederate of Union. That type of approach, extending kindness to friend and enemy alike, is the witness of Jesus and is more likely to reinforce a Kingdom perspective.
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Did they turn anyone away? i would doubt it.
One of the videos above has a song (i’m not sure which one) that invites EVERYONE to the table.
“i would doubt it,” but, as is not unusual on this forum, it’s mostly (negative) opinions of people not present, and not inviting others to be present.
Reminiscent of Nick Sandmann. His hat was hated. That was enough.
as an outsider, i try to grasp+respect “brotherhood” thinking, pros+cons. it’s not always positive, there are some identified failures in the silence. i.e., exploitation of silence. i believe from an authentic scriptural pov, brotherhood IN FAITH is valuable, inspired. something to seek. human hearts prevent anything from being “guaranteed.” Truth is a continual pursuit.
hardly anyone bats an eye when lib Mennonites vote for abortion and SSM. attend openly political rallies, etc. support CRT, etc.
but let a headcovering be seen in public: the end times.
of the thousands involved, a handful of headcoverings does not put me off, one way or another. i presume nothing.
i have a hunch, most do not “see a thing” with their presence. this forum is hyper-sensitive about it. that’s fairly unique.
to repeat, my family in WA, MI, TN, were clueless there was a truck convoy in Canada. they are probably in the majority.
One of the videos above has a song (i’m not sure which one) that invites EVERYONE to the table.
“i would doubt it,” but, as is not unusual on this forum, it’s mostly (negative) opinions of people not present, and not inviting others to be present.
Reminiscent of Nick Sandmann. His hat was hated. That was enough.
as an outsider, i try to grasp+respect “brotherhood” thinking, pros+cons. it’s not always positive, there are some identified failures in the silence. i.e., exploitation of silence. i believe from an authentic scriptural pov, brotherhood IN FAITH is valuable, inspired. something to seek. human hearts prevent anything from being “guaranteed.” Truth is a continual pursuit.
hardly anyone bats an eye when lib Mennonites vote for abortion and SSM. attend openly political rallies, etc. support CRT, etc.
but let a headcovering be seen in public: the end times.
of the thousands involved, a handful of headcoverings does not put me off, one way or another. i presume nothing.
i have a hunch, most do not “see a thing” with their presence. this forum is hyper-sensitive about it. that’s fairly unique.
to repeat, my family in WA, MI, TN, were clueless there was a truck convoy in Canada. they are probably in the majority.
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In this discussion, they talk about the Hutterites that are supporting the Freedom Convoy. This is why I am posting this clip.
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The same Hutterites also extended a lot of hospitality to migrant refugees, which is just as political of an act as feeding a trucker convoy. And they were featured prominently in the news media for it.Dan Z wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 11:08 amIt's not the serving of the meal that concerns me - that's a kind Christian gesture by itself - it is what that gesture represents in terms of political involvement, and how that kind of involvement likely pulls Kingdom people toward non-kingdom causes. Correct me if you know otherwise, but from what I hear among the Hutterites that I know, feeding the truckers convoy was an act of solidarity with their political cause. It was certainly perceived that way by the world.
During the Revolutionary and Civil wars, the Mennonites of Pennsylvania were known to provide meals for strangers as well, feeding and caring for soldiers and refugees regardless of their sympathies - they did not discriminate between feeding British or Colonial, Confederate of Union. That type of approach, extending kindness to friend and enemy alike, is the witness of Jesus and is more likely to reinforce a Kingdom perspective.
How would you feel if I said Hutterites shouldn't do that, since embracing mass movement of "refugees" means pulling Kingdom people towards non-Kingdom causes?
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Meanwhile, in Canada, God is at work saving souls ! Every week this little Salvation Army church out in Newfoundland is hearing of souls being saved through their on-line ministry. I have made them my home church as they are reaching the lost.
Folks with unsaved friends and neighbours, it's not too late. Keep on praying and witnessing. Don't give up. I would love to hear more testimonies from the churches represented here regarding those being saved in their communities and churches.
My hope and prayer is that this thread 'Meanwhile, in Canada', will someday be taken over with stories of God miraculously saving people from eternal separation from Him. Wouldn't that be the greatest of news to ever share ! And perhaps a similar one called 'Meanwhile, in America' the same thing will be the biggest story to talk about.
O how we need revival !
Folks with unsaved friends and neighbours, it's not too late. Keep on praying and witnessing. Don't give up. I would love to hear more testimonies from the churches represented here regarding those being saved in their communities and churches.
My hope and prayer is that this thread 'Meanwhile, in Canada', will someday be taken over with stories of God miraculously saving people from eternal separation from Him. Wouldn't that be the greatest of news to ever share ! And perhaps a similar one called 'Meanwhile, in America' the same thing will be the biggest story to talk about.
O how we need revival !
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This is a press conference from the organizers of the convoy. Very interesting…
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On the positive side, meanwhile in Canada, there are some opportunities that arise from being in more of a 'at home' state. Here is one that is quite common on the street I live on and one that gets us to know our neighbours in a closer way.
https://globalnews.ca/news/8525084/king ... ow-angels/
https://globalnews.ca/news/8525084/king ... ow-angels/
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No doubt the Hutterites are generous people. I'm glad to hear they have extended kindness to refugees - I would expect no less from any sincere follower of Jesus. Welcoming the stranger and feeding the "least of these" is written into our lives as Christians. Feeding refugees IS a Kingdom cause.Josh wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 3:06 pmThe same Hutterites also extended a lot of hospitality to migrant refugees, which is just as political of an act as feeding a trucker convoy. And they were featured prominently in the news media for it.Dan Z wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 11:08 amIt's not the serving of the meal that concerns me - that's a kind Christian gesture by itself - it is what that gesture represents in terms of political involvement, and how that kind of involvement likely pulls Kingdom people toward non-kingdom causes. Correct me if you know otherwise, but from what I hear among the Hutterites that I know, feeding the truckers convoy was an act of solidarity with their political cause. It was certainly perceived that way by the world.
During the Revolutionary and Civil wars, the Mennonites of Pennsylvania were known to provide meals for strangers as well, feeding and caring for soldiers and refugees regardless of their sympathies - they did not discriminate between feeding British or Colonial, Confederate of Union. That type of approach, extending kindness to friend and enemy alike, is the witness of Jesus and is more likely to reinforce a Kingdom perspective.
How would you feel if I said Hutterites shouldn't do that, since embracing mass movement of "refugees" means pulling Kingdom people towards non-Kingdom causes?
So, using that as a contrast to providing meals for the truckers' political protest doesn't seem to fit. Perhaps a better illustration would be if the South Dakota Hutterites had taken food out to support the Standing Rock Keystone Pipeline protesters. In that case, I think would have raised the same concerns.
Bottom line for me - feeding people in need and extending hospitality to friends and enemies alike in the name of Jesus is a basic Christian act. Motives are key here however. Were the Hutterites indirectly joining in to support a political protest, or were they simply practicing Christian hospitality? They know better than I do. We all need to be on guard - politically-driven worldviews (left or right) are always vying for control...and inevitably will compete with our allegiance to Christ.
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