Coronavirus Outbreak

Things that are not part of politics happening presently and how we approach or address it as Anabaptists.
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nett wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 10:58 am
Ken wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 8:27 pm
so racial and ethnic minorities are somewhat disproportionately impacted by Covid, but not exceedingly so. It isn't sparing anyone.
Yes, it only spares 99.4% of people.
From death perhaps. We are closing in on 1 million Covid deaths which would be 1 million / 330 million x 100% = 0.3% of the total US population dead. But most would argue that far more than just the dead are impacted by Covid. It has frankly impacted all of our lives or we wouldn't be here talking about it.
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Ken wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 12:00 pm
From death perhaps. We are closing in on 1 million Covid deaths which would be 1 million / 330 million x 100% = 0.3% of the total US population dead. But most would argue that far more than just the dead are impacted by Covid. It has frankly impacted all of our lives or we wouldn't be here talking about it.
if you keep aggregating numbers from when COVID started, eventually COVID will have killed the ENTIRE population.

the only reason it's affected us so much is because of a complete lack of treatment protocols, and because of irrational policies that have wrecked millions of people's lives.

if we had treated COVID like a particularly severe flu, developing early treatment protocols, encouraging people to self-quarantine if sick, but otherwise life life as normal, most of us would have been unaffected.
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Josh

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Ken wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 12:00 pm
nett wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 10:58 am
Ken wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 8:27 pm
so racial and ethnic minorities are somewhat disproportionately impacted by Covid, but not exceedingly so. It isn't sparing anyone.
Yes, it only spares 99.4% of people.
From death perhaps. We are closing in on 1 million Covid deaths which would be 1 million / 330 million x 100% = 0.3% of the total US population dead. But most would argue that far more than just the dead are impacted by Covid. It has frankly impacted all of our lives or we wouldn't be here talking about it.
Yes, the rest of the deaths are due to things like lockdowns, mass unemployment, or vaccine-caused deaths. I agree these things are very bad and shouldn't have been done.
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Josh wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 12:23 pm
Ken wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 12:00 pm
nett wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 10:58 am

Yes, it only spares 99.4% of people.
From death perhaps. We are closing in on 1 million Covid deaths which would be 1 million / 330 million x 100% = 0.3% of the total US population dead. But most would argue that far more than just the dead are impacted by Covid. It has frankly impacted all of our lives or we wouldn't be here talking about it.
Yes, the rest of the deaths are due to things like lockdowns, mass unemployment, or vaccine-caused deaths. I agree these things are very bad and shouldn't have been done.
I'm not sure what we are arguing about. Do we not agree that:

1. Covid has negatively affected everyone in some way or another.
2. Close to 1 million people have died and upwards of 150,000 children have been orphaned.
3. The impacts are slightly worse in communities of color for whatever combination of reasons (less access to healthcare, higher percentage of at-risk jobs, etc. etc.)
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nett wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 12:18 pm
Ken wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 12:00 pm
From death perhaps. We are closing in on 1 million Covid deaths which would be 1 million / 330 million x 100% = 0.3% of the total US population dead. But most would argue that far more than just the dead are impacted by Covid. It has frankly impacted all of our lives or we wouldn't be here talking about it.
if you keep aggregating numbers from when COVID started, eventually COVID will have killed the ENTIRE population.

the only reason it's affected us so much is because of a complete lack of treatment protocols, and because of irrational policies that have wrecked millions of people's lives.

if we had treated COVID like a particularly severe flu, developing early treatment protocols, encouraging people to self-quarantine if sick, but otherwise life life as normal, most of us would have been unaffected.
One has to wonder how many thousands died needlessly because Dr. Fauci & the CDC used their power to suppress safe and effective therapeutics like HCQ, zinc and Ivermectin. Follow the money.

A good synopsis of the last 12 months.

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Josh

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Ken wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 12:34 pm
Josh wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 12:23 pm
Ken wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 12:00 pm

From death perhaps. We are closing in on 1 million Covid deaths which would be 1 million / 330 million x 100% = 0.3% of the total US population dead. But most would argue that far more than just the dead are impacted by Covid. It has frankly impacted all of our lives or we wouldn't be here talking about it.
Yes, the rest of the deaths are due to things like lockdowns, mass unemployment, or vaccine-caused deaths. I agree these things are very bad and shouldn't have been done.
I'm not sure what we are arguing about. Do we not agree that:

1. Covid has negatively affected everyone in some way or another.
2. Close to 1 million people have died and upwards of 150,000 children have been orphaned.
3. The impacts are slightly worse in communities of color for whatever combination of reasons (less access to healthcare, higher percentage of at-risk jobs, etc. etc.)
The negative effect is from the bad societal reaction to covid, not covid itself.

Your 1 million and 150,000 figures are a gross exaggeration - there are not 1 million covid deaths with no comorbidities. Not even close.
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Josh wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 3:43 pm
Ken wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 12:34 pm
Josh wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 12:23 pm

Yes, the rest of the deaths are due to things like lockdowns, mass unemployment, or vaccine-caused deaths. I agree these things are very bad and shouldn't have been done.
I'm not sure what we are arguing about. Do we not agree that:

1. Covid has negatively affected everyone in some way or another.
2. Close to 1 million people have died and upwards of 150,000 children have been orphaned.
3. The impacts are slightly worse in communities of color for whatever combination of reasons (less access to healthcare, higher percentage of at-risk jobs, etc. etc.)
The negative effect is from the bad societal reaction to covid, not covid itself.

Your 1 million and 150,000 figures are a gross exaggeration - there are not 1 million covid deaths with no comorbidities. Not even close.
Did I claim there were 1 million deaths with no co-morbidities?

Old age and obesity are two co-morbidities right there. Their deaths don't count?
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Josh

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People over the age of 80 really shouldn’t count. Respiratory illnesses like flu or colds are a very common cause of death.

Neither should severely obese people (particularly type II diabetic). We cannot reform and structure society to make being obese safe from every disease.
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RZehr

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This was sent to me today by a coworker. Drink urine to fight Covid.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/anti-vax- ... t-covid-19
“The antidote that we have seen now, and we have tons and tons of research, is urine therapy. OK, and I know to a lot of you this sounds crazy, but guys, God’s given us everything we need,” Key said in a video posted over the weekend
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RZehr wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 7:11 pm This was sent to me today by a coworker. Drink urine to fight Covid.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/anti-vax- ... t-covid-19
“The antidote that we have seen now, and we have tons and tons of research, is urine therapy. OK, and I know to a lot of you this sounds crazy, but guys, God’s given us everything we need,” Key said in a video posted over the weekend
As one of the unvaccinated, he's nuts.

That being said, perhaps his research supports some mineral or vitamin but I don't see research and I would suspect his circle of followers got a lot bigger because the Media is promoting this hogwash to attempt to make the unvaccinated look stupid.
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