Coronavirus Outbreak

[RZehr]

While we're mentioning anecdotes - just talked to a gentleman this afternoon whose son took the COVID vaccine about six weeks ago. Within two weeks after taking the shot the son starting feeling quite ill, and two weeks later was dead. Of course, nobody can prove that he wouldn't have gotten sick and died if he hadn't gotten the shot.....

They are saying that the only suspect was the vaccine?

[ken_sylvania]

While we're mentioning anecdotes - just talked to a gentleman this afternoon whose son took the COVID vaccine about six weeks ago. Within two weeks after taking the shot the son starting feeling quite ill, and two weeks later was dead. Of course, nobody can prove that he wouldn't have gotten sick and died if he hadn't gotten the shot.....

They are saying that the only suspect was the vaccine?

Yes, in the family's mind that is the only suspect. The son did have a long-standing heart condition but was stable until this point. It doesn't seem they were opposed to him getting the vaccine and at this point they still think he did the best he knew under the circumstances but now they kind of wish he hadn't gotten the shot.

[nett]

Bottom line, that little piece of white on the national map of current Covid cases is hiding a whole lot of Covid-related death and misery in Holmes County. And all that death and misery is almost exclusively happening among the unvaccinated.

I'm sorry, but you're completely wrong. I'm in Holmes county pretty regularly. It's not full of misery and death, it's not even close. People there are largely over COVID.

142 people have died coded as COVID in Holmes county.

Here's some misery and death for you, from a vaccine fanatic.

They reacted in different ways. My 8-year-old could barely look at me—maybe out of anger, maybe out of fear. My 5-year-old daughter proved her status as the ultimate ride-or-die kid. She brought a chair down the street so she could sit 20 feet away from me outside in her mask, as I sat on the porch in an N95. I’m not sure which reaction was more heartbreaking. It was as if one never wanted to see me again and the other didn’t want to let me out of her sight.

I think there is a significant portion of the population that would rather die of COVID, than be vaccinated and live under that kind of delusional fear.

[nett]

While we're mentioning anecdotes - just talked to a gentleman this afternoon whose son took the COVID vaccine about six weeks ago. Within two weeks after taking the shot the son starting feeling quite ill, and two weeks later was dead. Of course, nobody can prove that he wouldn't have gotten sick and died if he hadn't gotten the shot.....

They are saying that the only suspect was the vaccine?

Yes, in the family's mind that is the only suspect. The son did have a long-standing heart condition but was stable until this point. It doesn't seem they were opposed to him getting the vaccine and at this point they still think he did the best he knew under the circumstances but now they kind of wish he hadn't gotten the shot.

Unfortunately, for a younger person with known heart issues, the risk of myocarditis from the vaccine far outweighs any risk from COVID. It's even much more risk than myocarditis from a COVID infection.

If their son had a doctor, that doctor should have advised him against the vaccine.

[Robert]

Interesting perspective. I tend to agree.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/rand-p ... ccine-bias

Sen. Rand Paul pinned blame for thousands of monthly coronavirus deaths on Dr. Anthony Fauci over his bias toward vaccines.

"I would venture to say that thousands of people die in our country every month now from COVID because [Fauci’s] deemphasized the idea that there are therapeutics," Paul, who is also a physician, said in an interview on the Ron Paul Liberty Report published Monday.

Paul explained that Fauci has a long history of a "bias" toward vaccines, stretching back to his work on AIDS.

"I think Fauci is of the philosophy that vaccines are incredibly successful and are the way to go versus therapeutics, for example. So with regard to AIDS, he was involved as the AIDS epidemic came up, he wanted to develop a vaccine," he continued in the interview with his father, former Texas Rep. Ron Paul.

"There's nothing wrong with that. He wanted to develop a vaccine. Vaccines can be great for polio or smallpox or wonderful. It didn't actually work for AIDS."

Paul has previously said that monoclonal antibodies "are one of the most promising treatments for the virus" after a person has been infected, but that misinformation on the antibody treatment plagues "government bureaucrats."

"Recent data showed that monoclonal antibody treatment cuts the risk of death and hospitalization by 70% in high-risk patients and reduces the chance of infection among a household by 80%," Paul wrote in a September op-ed. "Monoclonal antibodies have only just begun to be mentioned by the mainstream media, and misinformation still plagues government bureaucrats when discussing this scientifically-backed treatment."

[temporal1]

They are saying that the only suspect was the vaccine?

Yes, in the family's mind that is the only suspect. The son did have a long-standing heart condition but was stable until this point. It doesn't seem they were opposed to him getting the vaccine and at this point they still think he did the best he knew under the circumstances but now they kind of wish he hadn't gotten the shot.

Unfortunately, for a younger person with known heart issues, the risk of myocarditis from the vaccine far outweighs any risk from COVID. It's even much more risk than myocarditis from a COVID infection.

If their son had a doctor, that doctor should have advised him against the vaccine.

Sincere question: Is there any instance of doctors advising against the vaccine/boosters??
i live between IL, WA, MI. i’m not aware of the possibility.

[temporal1]

i probably saw this pop up because i viewed an “AwakenWithJP” video posted on forum by Robert.
this is kinda for Robert. and Josh. it’s food for thought/irony. it is not meant to be The Word of God.

16 minutes (warning: this includes a few unsavory seconds about rape.) a few bleeps.



1) i have received 2 vaccines, 1 booster, and the annual senior flu shot.
2) i wear a mask, even for the period we were being told it wasn’t necessary. (empathy for the unvaccinated.)
3) i wash hands. i use hand sanitizer.
4) i spend ‘way too much time alone.
5) i observe physical distance in public.
6) i was a bit shocked when my new DIL and her parents “just hugged me” at Thanksgiving.
7) did i forget anything?

Toward the end, he suggests apologies.
i agree. Apologies are appreciated and go a long way.

[Ken]

Bottom line, that little piece of white on the national map of current Covid cases is hiding a whole lot of Covid-related death and misery in Holmes County. And all that death and misery is almost exclusively happening among the unvaccinated.

I'm sorry, but you're completely wrong. I'm in Holmes county pretty regularly. It's not full of misery and death, it's not even close. People there are largely over COVID.

142 people have died coded as COVID in Holmes county.

Here's some misery and death for you, from a vaccine fanatic.

They reacted in different ways. My 8-year-old could barely look at me—maybe out of anger, maybe out of fear. My 5-year-old daughter proved her status as the ultimate ride-or-die kid. She brought a chair down the street so she could sit 20 feet away from me outside in her mask, as I sat on the porch in an N95. I’m not sure which reaction was more heartbreaking. It was as if one never wanted to see me again and the other didn’t want to let me out of her sight.

I think there is a significant portion of the population that would rather die of COVID, than be vaccinated and live under that kind of delusional fear.

I'm just responding to Josh's assertion that because Holmes County has a low Covid case rate because people are unvaccinated. When it is most likely just because symptomatic people just don't get tested at the same rate in Holmes County. If you refuse to look for something then you won't find it. In point of fact, Holmes County is doing substantially worse than average on the more meaningful metrics of hospitalizations and deaths. Both the hospitalization and death rate in Holmes County put it among the worst counties in Ohio and worse than even the most hard-hit state of Mississippi.

As for whether there is misery or not? Drowning in your own bodily fluids while you struggle desperately for breath sounds pretty miserable to me. But perhaps your definition of the term is somewhat different than mine.

The point is not that Holmes County is experiencing the Black Death like Medieval Europe. No place is. The point is that that when you actually look at the data it is faring worse than most other places rather than better.

[Josh]

While we're mentioning anecdotes - just talked to a gentleman this afternoon whose son took the COVID vaccine about six weeks ago. Within two weeks after taking the shot the son starting feeling quite ill, and two weeks later was dead. Of course, nobody can prove that he wouldn't have gotten sick and died if he hadn't gotten the shot.....

They are saying that the only suspect was the vaccine?

Yes, in the family's mind that is the only suspect. The son did have a long-standing heart condition but was stable until this point. It doesn't seem they were opposed to him getting the vaccine and at this point they still think he did the best he knew under the circumstances but now they kind of wish he hadn't gotten the shot.

And there is lots of scientific, peer-reviewed evidence of the vaccines causing heart problems in younger males.

[Josh]

Bottom line, that little piece of white on the national map of current Covid cases is hiding a whole lot of Covid-related death and misery in Holmes County. And all that death and misery is almost exclusively happening among the unvaccinated.

I'm sorry, but you're completely wrong. I'm in Holmes county pretty regularly. It's not full of misery and death, it's not even close. People there are largely over COVID.

142 people have died coded as COVID in Holmes county.

Here's some misery and death for you, from a vaccine fanatic.

They reacted in different ways. My 8-year-old could barely look at me—maybe out of anger, maybe out of fear. My 5-year-old daughter proved her status as the ultimate ride-or-die kid. She brought a chair down the street so she could sit 20 feet away from me outside in her mask, as I sat on the porch in an N95. I’m not sure which reaction was more heartbreaking. It was as if one never wanted to see me again and the other didn’t want to let me out of her sight.

I think there is a significant portion of the population that would rather die of COVID, than be vaccinated and live under that kind of delusional fear.

I'm just responding to Josh's assertion that because Holmes County has a low Covid case rate because people are unvaccinated. When it is most likely just because symptomatic people just don't get tested at the same rate in Holmes County. If you refuse to look for something then you won't find it. In point of fact, Holmes County is doing substantially worse than average on the more meaningful metrics of hospitalizations and deaths. Both the hospitalization and death rate in Holmes County put it among the worst counties in Ohio and worse than even the most hard-hit state of Mississippi.

As for whether there is misery or not? Drowning in your own bodily fluids while you struggle desperately for breath sounds pretty miserable to me. But perhaps your definition of the term is somewhat different than mine.

The point is not that Holmes County is experiencing the Black Death like Medieval Europe. No place is. The point is that that when you actually look at the data it is faring worse than most other places rather than better.

Ken,

I know a lot of people, yet I know exactly zero people who have died of covid in Holmes, Wayne, and Tusc. Counties. If this were really such a major pandemic I’d know more dead people.

Meanwhile in my social network outside of plain circles I know a fair number of people who have died. Personally, I know exactly *one* plain person who died of covid - and she’s been in poor respiratory and heart health (untreated diabetes) ever since I first met her five years ago.

Nonetheless, I am convinced going to the hospital killed her, or more specifically, redesemvir - once she got put on that she went downhill. The the ventilator. Then she died.

The outcomes wouldn’t have been worse if she’d been put on therapies like vitamin D, ivermectin, and other treatments that actually work.