Vaccine Mandates a Slippery Slope towards the Surveillance State and Mark of the Beast

[Josh]

Josh,

If you can’t buy, sell, or work without being vaccinated, what exactly is it? Particularly to those of us who think it represents unacceptable abuse of live foetal tissue?

[Falco Underhill]

And if in six months, no mark, and no beast, will we then be in agreement with the discernment that this thread strains credulity?

I don't think there's any question it strains credulity. There should have been a question mark after "and Mark of the Beast" in the title. It wasn't meant as an assertion but only as a question to explore.

[joshuabgood]

Josh,

If you can’t buy, sell, or work without being vaccinated, what exactly is it? Particularly to those of us who think it represents unacceptable abuse of live foetal tissue?

Well to be clear there isn't a hard mandate yet. One can get other jobs that don't require it. I have such a job myself...and my employees aren't required to get it. And there are a lot of ways to sell and buy things not being vaccinated. There are literally tens of millions of people in the USA not vaccinated. Most in my community are not.

Generally, as I said, I am against vaccine mandates. And if one is consistent in rejecting all products tested on cell lines I can respect that...and support that position though I don't hold it. If one does decide to civilly disobey I support that too though one needs to live then with the consequences. At our school we didn't strictly follow all mitigation directives...and I was willing to take the consequences if there were some...there weren't.

What I am saying is...vaccines seem hardly the mark of the beast.

[Falco Underhill]

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[Josh]

Josh,

If you can’t buy, sell, or work without being vaccinated, what exactly is it? Particularly to those of us who think it represents unacceptable abuse of live foetal tissue?

Well to be clear there isn't a hard mandate yet. One can get other jobs that don't require it. I have such a job myself...and my employees aren't required to get it. And there are a lot of ways to sell and buy things not being vaccinated. There are literally tens of millions of people in the USA not vaccinated. Most in my community are not.

Generally, as I said, I am against vaccine mandates. And if one is consistent in rejecting all products tested on cell lines I can respect that...and support that position though I don't hold it. If one does decide to civilly disobey I support that too though one needs to live then with the consequences. At our school we didn't strictly follow all mitigation directives...and I was willing to take the consequences if there were some...there weren't.

What I am saying is...vaccines seem hardly the mark of the beast.

Nobody said vaccines are.

Mandates that keep you from buying and selling unless you submit to a form of worship, in the other hand, are. And the covid vaccine specifically is the object of pagan worship, to the point people sing songs praising it.

[Grace]

And then there is this :

https://www.theblaze.com/news/microchip ... e-passport


This is my theory, and yes it is just a theory.

I believe that it wasn’t by accident, that the NIH funded lab in Wuhun China manipulated a virus that could only be transmitted between animals, to give it a “gain of function” so it could be transmitted through humans. No matter how many lies Dr. Fauci says about it. The first group of people the virus affected was the elderly, wiping so many out. Then came the vaccinations and the promotion to give it to children. I believe in the future we will see many more cases of infertility from the vaccinations. I believe the foisting of a deadly virus on this world is a method of population control.

At this point I do not believe the vaccine is the mark of the beast.

However I can see the possibility in the future, in which the unvaccinated might be denied entry into places to buy and sell. And because of the easiness to make fake vaccine cards, the government would require people to have a chip implanted to prevent false vaccine verification.

But again, just a theory.

[Heirbyadoption]

I wonder if the unvaccinated feel the same way?
Perhaps I will ask my husband, a man with a master's degree and published in scientific journals if he feels the same as he was either given the choice to resign or face termination due to "gross negligence."

What kind of job did this involve? How did he respond? Did he have convictions against vaccines? If so, what was the basis for his convictions?
If I ran a medical facility, I would want my employees to be vaccinated. We're in a pandemic. I don't want my facility spreading Covid-19.

Are you suggesting that vaccinated people don't contract and spread COVID?

I would be very interested also in hearing your response to this question, Boot...

[Heirbyadoption]

I wonder if the unvaccinated feel the same way?
Perhaps I will ask my husband, a man with a master's degree and published in scientific journals if he feels the same as he was either given the choice to resign or face termination due to "gross negligence."

What kind of job did this involve? How did he respond? Did he have convictions against vaccines? If so, what was the basis for his convictions?
If I ran a medical facility, I would want my employees to be vaccinated. We're in a pandemic. I don't want my facility spreading Covid-19.

Are you suggesting that vaccinated people don't contract and spread COVID?

Boot, I would be very interested in your thought/reply to Nett's question as well! Sorry, I realized I didn't include your quote directly in my previous comment, so it may not have tagged you.

[Bootstrap]

If I ran a medical facility, I would want my employees to be vaccinated. We're in a pandemic. I don't want my facility spreading Covid-19.

Are you suggesting that vaccinated people don't contract and spread COVID?

I would be very interested also in hearing your response to this question, Boot...

Nothing is 100%, but vaccination makes a big difference in the odds of getting Covid in the first place, and they seem to shorten the length of time you are infectious and reduce the odds of spreading the virus if you do. And these are valid reasons for an employer to want employees to be vaccinated.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-nc ... cases.html
https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/ ... ontagious/

Whether or not you agree, employers who have vaccine mandates believe that this is true. Not because they worship the beast and are trying to force you to do the same. They are trying to keep their employees and their customers safe, based on mainstream public health recommendations.

[Bootstrap]

And if one is consistent in rejecting all products tested on cell lines I can respect that...and support that position though I don't hold it. If one does decide to civilly disobey I support that too though one needs to live then with the consequences. At our school we didn't strictly follow all mitigation directives...and I was willing to take the consequences if there were some...there weren't.

What I am saying is...vaccines seem hardly the mark of the beast.

I agree with all of this. To me, there's a huge difference between (1) refusing to use any product tested on cell lines and (2) calling vaccinations the mark of the beast or saying that children are being aborted in order to make vaccines or saying that Covid-19 is not real.