Entire Michigan city government is Muslim

[Ernie]

If the government is run by Muslims, then Sharia Law will be the norm. If you are to investigate Muslim countries where Sharia is the norm, the infrastructure looks much different than here. I ideas of potholes is not relevant or policing or even hospitals. As you move away from conservative, Judeo/Christian ethics, you also move away from a caring society, generally speaking.

In the OP, RZehr is talking about moderate Islam the next 40 years. Are you saying that eventually (after 40 years) all Muslim societies revert to Sharia law?

[Soloist]

If the government is run by Muslims, then Sharia Law will be the norm. If you are to investigate Muslim countries where Sharia is the norm, the infrastructure looks much different than here. I ideas of potholes is not relevant or policing or even hospitals. As you move away from conservative, Judeo/Christian ethics, you also move away from a caring society, generally speaking.

In the OP, RZehr is talking about moderate Islam the next 40 years. Are you saying that eventually (after 40 years) all Muslim societies revert to Sharia law?

What does history show? Humanity has a tendency to repeat itself.

[gcdonner]

If the government is run by Muslims, then Sharia Law will be the norm. If you are to investigate Muslim countries where Sharia is the norm, the infrastructure looks much different than here. I ideas of potholes is not relevant or policing or even hospitals. As you move away from conservative, Judeo/Christian ethics, you also move away from a caring society, generally speaking.

There is a difference between rule by clerics, as is the case in countries like Iran, Saudi Arabia, and now Afghanistan. And rule by ordinary secular people who are doctors, lawyers, businesspeople, etc. and just happen to be Muslim.

But will that remain to be the case? Time will tell.

[gcdonner]

If the government is run by Muslims, then Sharia Law will be the norm. If you are to investigate Muslim countries where Sharia is the norm, the infrastructure looks much different than here. I ideas of potholes is not relevant or policing or even hospitals. As you move away from conservative, Judeo/Christian ethics, you also move away from a caring society, generally speaking.

In the OP, RZehr is talking about moderate Islam the next 40 years. Are you saying that eventually (after 40 years) all Muslim societies revert to Sharia law?

How do you measure "moderate"? I think in parts of Michigan in some Muslim communities they are already instituting Sharia Law. I will have to research that for a "fact check".

[temporal1]

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Pew Research / “Most Muslims Want Democracy, Personal Freedoms, and Islam in Political Life”
https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2012 ... ical-life/

Only a dolt could believe most people prefer the unfamiliar in their lives, from language, culture, faith, politics.

In the past, it WAS true that lots of people migrated to the U.S. with the hope of assimilating and “becoming ‘American,’” -
not nearly so true in recent DECADES. Today, many come with no such intention at all. “The Melting Pot” is passe’.
Early on, most immigrants were some definition Christian.

“Freedom of religion” was about freedom of Christian religions, which was a BIG deal, a HUGE step away from Christians persecuting other Christians. This was such a major step, other religions were not in the forefront, as they have become over time.

This is fairly forgotten by way of convenient memories and dedicated ignorance, esp about Christianity.

Clever immigrants quickly learn how to “generally assimilate,” while involving themselves of education, law, and politics, for the purpose/result of peaceful infiltration, rather than hostile. It’s more effective and not as messy.

[temporal1]

If the government is run by Muslims, then Sharia Law will be the norm. If you are to investigate Muslim countries where Sharia is the norm, the infrastructure looks much different than here. I ideas of potholes is not relevant or policing or even hospitals. As you move away from conservative, Judeo/Christian ethics, you also move away from a caring society, generally speaking.

In the OP, RZehr is talking about moderate Islam the next 40 years. Are you saying that eventually (after 40 years) all Muslim societies revert to Sharia law?

How do you measure "moderate"? I think in parts of Michigan in some Muslim communities they are already instituting Sharia Law.
I will have to research that for a "fact check".

Note Tennessee’s 3rd language is Arabic.
In diverse Illinois, i don’t believe i’ve ever met anyone fluent in Polish!

i think george is wise to warn.
i recall years ago he warned about WIM, which i believe is now off the charts, and .. results are .. sad.

people prefer what is familiar. human nature is predictable.

[Ken]

Most American Muslims that I know are as assimilated as anyone else. They just happen to attend different churches as is their right as Americans.

[Josh]

I supposed it is newsworthy in that it is something new.

But other than the novelty factor, I'm asking what you think it actually means in terms of governance. Do you think Muslim city council members are going to take the city government in a different and worse direction because of their faith? When it comes to things like management of fire and police services, property tax administration, road repairs, and all the other municipal issues they will be dealing with.

Depends on the ethnic groups and religious sects involved. Elite Pakistani or Indian Muslims result in a vastly different society and government than, say, Somalis.

For example, you won’t have to deal with female circumcision with the former.

Michigan's Muslim population is not Pakistani or Somali. It is mostly Arab immigrants from countries like Iraq, Lebanon, Egypt, Palestine, Jordan, Syria, Yemen, etc. Apparently the largest portion are Lebanese. At least according to census data.

Yes, I know that. I was just giving two examples of common Muslim ethnic groups.

[Josh]

If the government is run by Muslims, then Sharia Law will be the norm. If you are to investigate Muslim countries where Sharia is the norm, the infrastructure looks much different than here. I ideas of potholes is not relevant or policing or even hospitals. As you move away from conservative, Judeo/Christian ethics, you also move away from a caring society, generally speaking.

There is a difference between rule by clerics, as is the case in countries like Iran, Saudi Arabia, and now Afghanistan. And rule by ordinary secular people who are doctors, lawyers, businesspeople, etc. and just happen to be Muslim.

Could you point out some majority-Muslim countries where this is the case?

All I can think of is Turkey, which is technically secular, but allows very little religious freedom for Christians.

[temporal1]

Most American Muslims that I know are as assimilated as anyone else. They just happen to attend different churches as is their right as Americans.

Certainly. Socially, they know very well how to get along with you+me. It’s easy. We’re easy.
When they worship or vote, they choose what is familiar to them, what is bedrock in their experience, just like you+me.
It would be silly to expect any different.

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Pew Research / “Most Muslims Want Democracy, Personal Freedoms, and Islam in Political Life”
https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2012 ... ical-life/