Wade wrote: ↑Fri Oct 15, 2021 7:59 pm
We are healthy, fairly isolated, we are following regulations. Honestly what are you expecting from us? Please stop condemning people who desire to obey God in faith with your polarizations.
For the record, Wade, I am very happy with this type of approach. And I am not condemning anyone.
I'm simply appealing to those who resist changes to the way they did things pre-pandemic, and asking that such folks respect those who have made some changes in the last year and a half, rather than accuse us of being unethical. That's all I am attempting to do in this thread.
PetrChelcicky wrote: ↑Wed Oct 20, 2021 8:43 am
Ernie,
The problems you scent here have found a more precise treatment in different ways in theology and philosophy. Or better we can say that a precise understanding has shown that there are more than one problem, but most of them are related to each other.
Josh wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 10:00 am
As I keep pointing out, most Haitians are very anti-kidnappings and don’t want violent gangsters to keep getting more money and control.
I take it then that you support giving money to murderers and kidnappers? Why would you say that giving kidnappers money isn't an ethical and moral problem?
Josh wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 10:00 am
As I keep pointing out, most Haitians are very anti-kidnappings and don’t want violent gangsters to keep getting more money and control.
Giving them $17 million is inherently immoral.
Yes, doing so is wrong and immoral and something Christians missionaries should never do.
Soloist wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 12:12 pmI take it then that you support giving money to murderers and kidnappers? Why would you say that giving kidnappers money isn't an ethical and moral problem?
I see giving money to kidnappers for the release of hostages as an amoral issue. I think wisdom should dictate which situations giving kidnappers are wise and which ones are unwise. A person can pray for wisdom. If wisdom does not seem to give a clear answer, the Lord's will should still be sought.
Ernie wrote: ↑Sat Nov 20, 2021 10:06 pm
I see giving money to kidnappers for the release of hostages as an amoral issue. I think wisdom should dictate which situations giving kidnappers are wise and which ones are unwise. A person can pray for wisdom. If wisdom does not seem to give a clear answer, the Lord's will should still be sought.
So if a violent thief points a gun at you and says your money or your life you the moral thing to do is to give your life. The immoral thing is to hand over your wallet?
Or if he goes to steal your car etc. Surely it is not moral to ransom your own life but not another's.
joshuabgood wrote: ↑Sun Nov 21, 2021 6:52 am
So if a violent thief points a gun at you and says your money or your life you the moral thing to do is to give your life. The immoral thing is to hand over your wallet?
Or if he goes to steal your car etc. Surely it is not moral to ransom your own life but not another's.
That hardly stands to reason. I agree with Ernie.
Not the same thing.
Overall, though, society would be much better if people refused to give money to muggers.
Giving $17 million to a violent criminal group is obviously wrong, and doing so will wreak even more violence and hurt upon Haitians.