Coronavirus Outbreak

[Josh]

Lots of vaccines (including one of the covid vaccines in America) use newer stem cell lines, including one made as recently as 1995. That should be pause for concern.

I don’t want to use therapies made from foetal cells. Period. Aspirin and other drugs invented in 1899 aren’t involved with stem cells. Virtually any new therapy in 2021 is. That’s what I’m concerned with.

This has no end. Eventually, we will have therapies based on fresh aborted tissue (it has a lot of advantages, just like harvesting organs from prisoners does). I think we should categorically reject that now.

Imagine a world where conventional vaccines like SinoVac were available with no stem cells. Folks like Soloist and I would gladly go and get vaccinated. (Instead, I’m planning to do so whenever I can make it to Brazil - which may be a while.)

Wouldn’t you rather live in that world?

[Robert]

https://www.dailywire.com/news/breaking ... ne-mandate

The 5th Circuit Court of Appeals has blocked Democrat President Joe Biden’s coronavirus vaccine mandate in a ruling late on Friday, calling it “staggeringly overbroad.”

The three-judge panel in New Orleans ruled that Biden’s mandate “grossly exceeds OSHA’s statutory authority,” writing that “rather than a delicately handled scalpel, the Mandate is a one-size fits-all sledgehammer that makes hardly any attempt to account for differences in workplaces (and workers) that have more than a little bearing on workers’ varying degrees of susceptibility to the supposedly ‘grave danger’ the Mandate purports to address.”

[nett]

My my, how things have changed.

[GaryK]

My my, how things have changed.


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We can probably now expect a push for boosters every 6 months.

I still contend that if there had been a concerted effort early on to find therapies to get most people safely through Covid infections rather than the experimentation with the "vaccines" that clearly are not what they were promised to be, we would be further ahead in terms of ending this pandemic. It's interesting to me that early treatment therapies seem to be getting more attention recently. Monoclonal antibodies, Merck and Pfizer Covid pills are a few examples. I believe history will show that FLCCC's approach to the pandemic was the correct one.

[nett]

My my, how things have changed.


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We can probably now expect a push for boosters every 6 months.

I still contend that if there had been a concerted effort early on to find therapies to get most people safely through Covid infections rather than the experimentation with the "vaccines" that clearly are not what they were promised to be, we would be further ahead in terms of ending this pandemic. It's interesting to me that early treatment therapies seem to be getting more attention recently. Monoclonal antibodies, Merck and Pfizer Covid pills are a few examples. I believe history will show that FLCCC's approach to the pandemic was the correct one.

Yeah the boosters are looking real promising

What the Israeli data show is that a booster can enhance protection for a few weeks in older adults — a result that is unsurprising, experts said, and does not indicate long-term benefit.

I do wonder how much longer does this goes on before the narrative shifts to acknowledging that the vaccines are basically a total failure?

[mike]

There is a significant difference between the trends from now and a year ago. Last year this time, Covid cases were trending up sharply for the big wave we saw in the winter. Now, although the decrease has slowed, and we even saw a slight uptick for a bit in the last few weeks, the numbers are still trending down generally.



Deaths also were headed up, where for now at least they are still trending steadily down.

[Robert]

I do wonder how much longer does this goes on before the narrative shifts to acknowledging that the vaccines are basically a total failure?

I think total failure is extreme language. There is a benefit to elderly and those in high risk categories. I do not think it should be used on children and younger, healthy adults. I think early treatment would be much better for them.

[Robert]

There is a significant difference between the trends from now and a year ago. Last year this time, Covid cases were trending up sharply for the big wave we saw in the winter. Now, although the decrease has slowed, and we even saw a slight uptick for a bit in the last few weeks, the numbers are still trending down generally.

It would be nice to know how much natural immunity played in this and how much vaccines played. I am not sure we can really know, but it seems the waves are getting smaller and much more manageable. This is a good thing.

[Robert]

Lots of vaccines (including one of the covid vaccines in America) use newer stem cell lines, including one made as recently as 1995. That should be pause for concern.

I don’t want to use therapies made from foetal cells. Period. Aspirin and other drugs invented in 1899 aren’t involved with stem cells. Virtually any new therapy in 2021 is. That’s what I’m concerned with.

This has no end. Eventually, we will have therapies based on fresh aborted tissue (it has a lot of advantages, just like harvesting organs from prisoners does). I think we should categorically reject that now.

Imagine a world where conventional vaccines like SinoVac were available with no stem cells. Folks like Soloist and I would gladly go and get vaccinated. (Instead, I’m planning to do so whenever I can make it to Brazil - which may be a while.)

Wouldn’t you rather live in that world?

To a lot of the research, there are other options besides stem cell research. There is just no desire to develop the protocols for it. This will have to be made law to force them to shift. One of the few times I would support more government control. This is a civil rights and moral issue. One can not legislate morality, but we have laws that say you can not kill others without reason. This should be part of that.

[mike]

There is a significant difference between the trends from now and a year ago. Last year this time, Covid cases were trending up sharply for the big wave we saw in the winter. Now, although the decrease has slowed, and we even saw a slight uptick for a bit in the last few weeks, the numbers are still trending down generally.

It would be nice to know how much natural immunity played in this and how much vaccines played. I am not sure we can really know, but it seems the waves are getting smaller and much more manageable. This is a good thing.

Yes. I'm pretty sure that natural immunity plays a big role, and that vaccines are helping. I think cases have been underreported because of mild or asymptomatic cases ever since the beginning of the pandemic, which means that there is more natural immunity out there than we know about. But the virus is weird, it's different for everybody, we don't know how long immunity from the virus or from vaccines last, among many other unknowns. But the signs seem to point to a weakening virus.