Russ Douthat on Critical Race Theory

[ohio jones]

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[Szdfan]

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We all commit grammar sins on social media.

[ohio jones]

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We all commit grammar sins on social media.

Yeah, but Ida was obviously banking on the fact that her consumers won't read.

[Ken]

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We all commit grammar sins on social media.

Especially typing phones which is how most people play on twitter. And the main reason why I can't stand it.

[PetrChelcicky]

I just want to emphasize that CRT is not only an esoteric intellectual enterprise. It is a movement (a) to influence the legal system and (b) to educate the children and re-educate the grown-ups, with tentacles all over the United States and elsewhere (in Germany, I met it at first in 2020).

As for (a), CRT was founded by people who wanted to influence the legal system.
As for (b), I'm not sure if the educational movement would not have happened even without CRT. But folks in the movement clinged to CRT at the moment they discovered it, as the "big theory" who would give their movement a more impressive appeal (like the labour movements for some time discovered Marxism and used it to get a more highfalutin appeal).

But it certainly is not identical with the BLM movement.
However the two are connected insofar CRT gives a rationalization to the rather vague feelings expressed in BLM.

[joshuabgood]

I just want to emphasize that CRT is not only an esoteric intellectual enterprise. It is a movement (a) to influence the legal system and (b) to educate the children and re-educate the grown-ups, with tentacles all over the United States and elsewhere (in Germany, I met it at first in 2020).

As for (a), CRT was founded by people who wanted to influence the legal system.
As for (b), I'm not sure if the educational movement would not have happened even without CRT. But folks in the movement clinged to CRT at the moment they discovered it, as the "big theory" who would give their movement a more impressive appeal (like the labour movements for some time discovered Marxism and used it to get a more highfalutin appeal).

But it certainly is not identical with the BLM movement.
However the two are connected insofar CRT gives a rationalization to the rather vague feelings expressed in BLM.

It is easy for white people to dismiss with a wave, "the rather vague feelings expressed by BLM." For the people involved and impacted, the issues carry deep significance. Maybe if we listened more we would hear...

[Josh]

For another example of how ridiculous Nikole Hannah-Jones is (and why I'd rather not be force-fed "training" that she's in charge of),

The idea that race—specifically, blackness—should entail a certain ideology or viewpoint and that veering from that viewpoint is a sign of unfortunate whiteness is, sadly, a common one. In a since-deleted tweet, New York Times journalist Nikole Hannah-Jones insisted that "there is a difference between being politically black and being racially black"—a sentiment later echoed by then-presidential candidate Joe Biden, who said in an interview with the popular radio show The Breakfast Club, "If you have a problem figuring out whether you're for me or Trump, then you ain't black." Most recently, a Los Angeles Times story called Larry Elder, a conservative black radio host and gubernatorial candidate, "the black face of white supremacy."

(https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/st ... ar-AANUh9o)

California is on track to have its first black governor, and indeed its first governor ever that is not a white male. It is truly bizarre to see him slandered as "the black face of white supremacy", simply for having the daring to run against Gov. Newsom.

Hannah-Jones' remark that "being politically black" and "being racially black" belies the true agenda of CRT; to eventually enforce a rigid political ideology and castigate anyone who does not get in line as "racist", "white supremacist", and, if they're not a white person, also accuse them of being some kind of traitor to their race, much as Biden claimed people who wouldn't vote for him "ain't black".

[PetrChelcicky]

I just want to emphasize that CRT is not only an esoteric intellectual enterprise. It is a movement (a) to influence the legal system and (b) to educate the children and re-educate the grown-ups, with tentacles all over the United States and elsewhere (in Germany, I met it at first in 2020).

As for (a), CRT was founded by people who wanted to influence the legal system.
As for (b), I'm not sure if the educational movement would not have happened even without CRT. But folks in the movement clinged to CRT at the moment they discovered it, as the "big theory" who would give their movement a more impressive appeal (like the labour movements for some time discovered Marxism and used it to get a more highfalutin appeal).

But it certainly is not identical with the BLM movement.
However the two are connected insofar CRT gives a rationalization to the rather vague feelings expressed in BLM.

It is easy for white people to dismiss with a wave, "the rather vague feelings expressed by BLM." For the people involved and impacted, the issues carry deep significance. Maybe if we listened more we would hear...

I don't deny that the feelings are intense. Rather I wanted to say it is extremely difficult to transform those feelings into precise wishes or political proposals. Do Blacks really wish to defund the police? Do they really wish to decriminalize drug dealing and related gang behaviour? Do they wish total inclusion? It is mostly a yes and no (not always at the same time, but one after the other). My completely amateurish idea is that American Blacks need a period of self-administration and -responsibilty for to grow out of some infantile tendencies. Well, perhaps the Black-led towns of today are a step into that direction.

[PetrChelcicky]

There's one point which I haven't seen expressed here, and which should be interesting for our liberal-minded readers.
The average white middle class parents have been reeducated to ignore race differences and above all the many differences depending on racial genetics or racial culture. And they have indeed tried to apply to that standards and have taken pains to educate their children that way.
Just for those people it has been shocking when the teachers started to divide their pupils into racial groups. It has completely undermined what they had told their children at home. They experienced it as a U-turn.
Yes, I know that there are arguments for that U-turn. But every politician ought to have seen that this a tricky situation. It's just the people who the most confom to the rules who get most irritated and angry when the rules are changed (when the rug is pulled out from under their feet). These was the "critical mass" of voters which McAuliffe lost in Virginia.

[HondurasKeiser]

There's one point which I haven't seen expressed here, and which should be interesting for our liberal-minded readers.
The average white middle class parents have been reeducated to ignore race differences and above all the many differences depending on racial genetics or racial culture. And they have indeed tried to apply to that standards and have taken pains to educate their children that way.
Just for those people it has been shocking when the teachers started to divide their pupils into racial groups. It has completely undermined what they had told their children at home. They experienced it as a U-turn.
Yes, I know that there are arguments for that U-turn. But every politician ought to have seen that this a tricky situation. It's just the people who the most confom to the rules who get most irritated and angry when the rules are changed (when the rug is pulled out from under their feet). These was the "critical mass" of voters which McAuliffe lost in Virginia.

There's no good argument for the U-turn.