Coronavirus Outbreak

[Josh]

Like it or not, there are no measures that can be taken to prevent covid (short for people never leaving their house for the rest of their lives). There is nothing that can be done to prevent the spread.

I agree with this. However there are things that can be done to mitigate the spread.

We all have to get it and get over it.

I assume you are not intending this to be a factual statement, and rather as a suggestion for what you think people should think and do?

It’s a factual statement. Everyone is going to get it sooner or later (and being vaccinated doesn’t make much of a difference, particularly 6-12 months later; these experimental vaccines wear off).

“Slowing the spread” has no point. You’ll eventually get it anyway.

[Soloist]

Like it or not, there are no measures that can be taken to prevent covid (short for people never leaving their house for the rest of their lives). There is nothing that can be done to prevent the spread.

I agree with this. However there are things that can be done to mitigate the spread.

We all have to get it and get over it.

I assume you are not intending this to be a factual statement, and rather as a suggestion for what you think people should think and do?

It’s a factual statement. Everyone is going to get it sooner or later (and being vaccinated doesn’t make much of a difference, particularly 6-12 months later; these experimental vaccines wear off).

“Slowing the spread” has no point. You’ll eventually get it anyway.

I personally find its not that effective, but slowing the spread makes logical sense, and it could have been presented better that we were attempting to keep the hospital system from being overwhelmed. The issue I see though is the states that were most effective at "slowing the spread" did too well while we had good staffing levels. Later when rule fatigue and burnout set in we had very little natural resistance at all and the hospitals effectively got overwhelmed later. The early surges while somewhat disastrous, sort of worked out for those states in terms of staffing. Many nurses stepped up and went to New York to help out. Now Oregon barely can get nurses as almost everywhere is struggling. The staffing agencies are pretty effective at poaching nurses and the hospitals aren't exactly throwing enough extra down for seasoned staff that they are losing. We just lost one to a cushy job paying 70+ for infusion... we are paying 35... Doesn't take a rocket scientist to see an issue there. Mind you, this is a non-profit that can't just cut some senior staff's pay...

[Szdfan]

During a series of smallpox outbreaks across the United States from 1898 through 1903, many states authorized compulsory vaccination, while other leaders sought to use the power of public and private institutions to pressure reluctant Americans to accept the vaccine.

If I understand correctly, this was done by states and local governments, not federal and not all states and local governments.

Which current federal law or rule currently in effect prohibits unvaccinated people from having access to public spaces?

[Robert]

Which current federal law or rule currently in effect prohibits unvaccinated people from having access to public spaces?

The one being implemented. You can not work without a vaccine. This is being done one a federal level. States are the ones who have mandated vaccines before. This is the first federal mandate.

[Robert]

Which current federal law or rule currently in effect prohibits unvaccinated people from having access to public spaces?

The one being implemented. You can not work without a vaccine. This is being done one a federal level. States are the ones who have mandated vaccines before. This is the first federal mandate.

What about religious exemptions? What about people who should not take it for health reasons? What about ADA violations with this new order?

This really makes little sense to me.

[Ken]

Which current federal law or rule currently in effect prohibits unvaccinated people from having access to public spaces?

The one being implemented. You can not work without a vaccine. This is being done one a federal level. States are the ones who have mandated vaccines before. This is the first federal mandate.

What about religious exemptions? What about people who should not take it for health reasons? What about ADA violations with this new order?

This really makes little sense to me.

There is a process for requesting medical or religious exemptions. Hundreds of thousands have been granted across the country.

The OSHA vaccine mandate to which I assume you are referring, requires either vaccines or weekly testing for employees who are in public jobs. So weekly testing is an option for those who don’t want to get vaccinated. And it only applies to people in contact with the public or working in group settings. It doesn’t apply to remote workers.

It is actually written as a worker-safety measure. So, for example, if you are an immunocompromised employee with cancer or some such, part of having a safe working environment is being assured that Covid will not be brought into your workplace by co-workers. Which you are vulnerable to, even if YOU are vaccinated. So that means making sure your co-workers are vaccinated or test negative. Absent measures like this, we are basically banishing immune-compromised individuals to lives in quarantine. An estimated 2.7% of adult Americans have some sort of immune system deficiency. So we are talking about millions of people who can’t rely on vaccines to keep themselves safe.

[Robert]

So weekly testing is an option for those who don’t want to get vaccinated.

So who pays and will they be given time off to take the test or they will have to buy the cheap ineffective ones and just use that?

[Ken]

So weekly testing is an option for those who don’t want to get vaccinated.

So who pays and will they be given time off to take the test or they will have to buy the cheap ineffective ones and just use that?

I think that is up to the employer to figure out.

[Ernie]

“Slowing the spread” has no point. You’ll eventually get it anyway.

I'm finished with this discussion.

[Ken]

Like it or not, there are no measures that can be taken to prevent covid (short for people never leaving their house for the rest of their lives). There is nothing that can be done to prevent the spread.

I agree with this. However there are things that can be done to mitigate the spread.

We all have to get it and get over it.

I assume you are not intending this to be a factual statement, and rather as a suggestion for what you think people should think and do?

It’s a factual statement. Everyone is going to get it sooner or later (and being vaccinated doesn’t make much of a difference, particularly 6-12 months later; these experimental vaccines wear off).

“Slowing the spread” has no point. You’ll eventually get it anyway.

Nonsense Josh. Once again you are egregiously wrong about something. To date, nearly 2 years into the pandemic we have had a grand total of 46 million positive Covid results in this country, which is 13.9% of the population. Millions of which were asymptomatic. That is nothing close to “everyone”. Now that vaccines are ubiquitous it is highly likely that a large majority of Americans will never catch or face Covid.