Coronavirus Outbreak

[nett]

Can't say I agree with Bill Maher about...really anything on a regular basis, but he correctly identifies masks as an "amulet", and points out how misinformed a certain party is about the risk COVID presents.

[Robert]

What do you see as an unacceptable death rate that would lead you to support a vaccine mandate?

I would say between 1-5%. This is just a guess. I may be closer to .5% if i really took time to look at the numbers.

I am not saying do not encourage people. I am saying forcing them to do something like this is not long term beneficial with the low rates we have now.

No one is forced to prove they have a TB shot to go out to eat. Whey would we force people to prove they have a Covid vaccine to function in society? DO you know how many illegal immigrants we have in society that do not have mandated vaccines? A whole lot. WE see break outs of diseases we have eradicated in the US because of it.

[Biblical Anabaptist]

The harsh reality is children in Pennsylvania are four times more likely to die from abusive injuries than COVID-19 and influenza combined.

https://www.publicopiniononline.com/sto ... 580682002/

[silentreader]

Breakthrough infections...

The highest rate of breakthrough infections that I am seeing among vaccinated people is 1%. (People who tested positive, but didn't necessarily have symptoms.)

Has anybody seen studies of anything higher than this?

I'm not sure if this is what you are looking for? It is not a study but a daily tracking from the Province of Ontario.
Today's data shows about 49% of new positive tests were among the unvaccinated and about 34% of new positive tests were in fully-vaccinated people.
You need to click on "case numbers" above the line graph to get that data.

https://covid-19.ontario.ca/data?utm_so ... m=referral

Province of Ontario today reported 422 new cases, of which 225 were unvaccinated and 161 were fully vaccinated.

[nett]

Breakthrough infections...

The highest rate of breakthrough infections that I am seeing among vaccinated people is 1%. (People who tested positive, but didn't necessarily have symptoms.)

Has anybody seen studies of anything higher than this?

I'm not sure if this is what you are looking for? It is not a study but a daily tracking from the Province of Ontario.
Today's data shows about 49% of new positive tests were among the unvaccinated and about 34% of new positive tests were in fully-vaccinated people.
You need to click on "case numbers" above the line graph to get that data.

https://covid-19.ontario.ca/data?utm_so ... m=referral

Province of Ontario today reported 422 new cases, of which 225 were unvaccinated and 161 were fully vaccinated.

How many were partially vacinated?

Studies have already shown that vaccinated people are less like to report to the hospital, even with severe symptoms, because they tend to believe they don't have COVID, since they're vaccinated. So these numbers indicate that the vaccine is providing very little protection, from a hospitalization perspective. This is expected based on Israel's data.

[Somebody]

https://thetruedefender.com/breaking-ne ... -produced/


Apparently some of the batches of vaccines are a problem.

[Szdfan]

What do you see as an unacceptable death rate that would lead you to support a vaccine mandate?

I would say between 1-5%. This is just a guess. I may be closer to .5% if i really took time to look at the numbers.

I am not saying do not encourage people. I am saying forcing them to do something like this is not long term beneficial with the low rates we have now.

No one is forced to prove they have a TB shot to go out to eat. Whey would we force people to prove they have a Covid vaccine to function in society?

TB has largely been erradicated in the United States. The few cases of TB a year that do happen go under a quarantine regimene that makes COVID look "soft:"

https://foreignpolicy.com/2021/10/02/co ... th-safety/

In 2016, I was diagnosed with TB. I was immediately turned over to public health authorities and informed of the many choices that the government would now make for me. I would submit to contact tracing. I would provide information for everyone I was in close contact with over the previous 18 months. Each person—from my professors to my students to my infant niece—would be tested. I would not choose my doctor. I would be quarantined as the government saw fit. I would submit regular X-rays and bloodwork. I would also provide sputum samples, which, they explained, often involved medically induced choking.

While undergoing treatment, my movements would be restricted. Whenever a sputum sample came back positive for the bacteria, I would return to quarantine. While in quarantine, public health workers would sporadically come to my home to ensure I was compliant. Even out of quarantine, I could leave my house, but I couldn’t go far. A trip outside the city required permission. And if permission was granted, it came with conditions. I would need to immediately report to the public health department at my destination, which would take over the supervision of my medication. If I were to deviate from this protocol, I would be taken to court and placed in jail.

The treatment for TB is unforgiving. I would receive a cocktail of antibiotics for six to nine months. I would not administer these antibiotics myself; rather, a government employee would come to my home every day to unwrap the pills and watch me swallow them. I would learn the rationale for such strict measures: Studies have shown that TB patients are frequently noncompliant. This is due in part to the difficulty of the antibiotic treatment. Patients typically experience peripheral neuropathy (pain and numbness from nerve damage), rashes, nausea, and incapacitating fatigue. The antibiotics can cause liver and kidney damage and, in rare cases, colorblindness. Due to drug toxicity, one must eliminate alcohol and certain foods and avoid exposure to the sun. The antibiotics also interact with many other common medications. In my case, I had no choice but to stop taking antacids. After I developed neurological symptoms of serotonin syndrome, I had to stop taking antidepressants.

I feel like we've covered this territory before, but there is a long history of vaccine mandates. Small pox vaccine mandates dated back to the 1850s and 70s. The polio vaccine was mandated in the 50s in quick succession after its discover by Salk and before you probably would have considered it "safe."

DO you know how many illegal immigrants we have in society that do not have mandated vaccines? A whole lot. WE see break outs of diseases we have eradicated in the US because of it.

I think the issue isn't unvaccinated illegal immigrants, but undervacination in the US that chips away at the herd immunity that the vaccines previously established.

The considerable burden of TB care is balanced by the extreme harm it prevents. What about COVID-19?

The extent of community harm caused by undervaccination is hard to overstate. More than 711,000 Americans have died of COVID-19. Many who have survived will live with life-altering organ damage. The delta variant is particularly contagious, such that, on average, each infected person will infect six others, leading to exponential spread and overwhelming health care systems.

[Ernie]

Breakthrough infections...

The highest rate of breakthrough infections that I am seeing among vaccinated people is 1%. (People who tested positive, but didn't necessarily have symptoms.)

Has anybody seen studies of anything higher than this?

I'm not sure if this is what you are looking for? It is not a study but a daily tracking from the Province of Ontario.
Today's data shows about 49% of new positive tests were among the unvaccinated and about 34% of new positive tests were in fully-vaccinated people.
You need to click on "case numbers" above the line graph to get that data.

https://covid-19.ontario.ca/data?utm_so ... m=referral

Province of Ontario today reported 422 new cases, of which 225 were unvaccinated and 161 were fully vaccinated.

Thanks for these!

[Dan Z]

I'm not sure if this is what you are looking for? It is not a study but a daily tracking from the Province of Ontario.
Today's data shows about 49% of new positive tests were among the unvaccinated and about 34% of new positive tests were in fully-vaccinated people.
You need to click on "case numbers" above the line graph to get that data.

https://covid-19.ontario.ca/data?utm_so ... m=referral

Province of Ontario today reported 422 new cases, of which 225 were unvaccinated and 161 were fully vaccinated.

Thanks for these!

A little context - according to the Ontario COVID Tracker, 74.3% of Ontario residents are fully vaccinated, which means there are roughly three vaccinated people in Ontario for every one unvaccinated person. Therefore, those 161 breakthrough cases came from a much larger population. Extrapolating quickly from the data, an unvaccinated person, on this particular day in Ontario, was over 4X more likely to test positive for COVID than a vaccinated person. This doesn't consider the likelihood of hospitalization or death from COVID - which, according to the same data, seems to show a much higher disparity between vaccinated and unvaccinated.

[silentreader]

Province of Ontario today reported 422 new cases, of which 225 were unvaccinated and 161 were fully vaccinated.

Thanks for these!

A little context - according to the Ontario COVID Tracker, 74.3% of Ontario residents are fully vaccinated, which means there are roughly three vaccinated people in Ontario for every one unvaccinated person. Therefore, those 161 breakthrough cases came from a much larger population. Extrapolating quickly from the data, an unvaccinated person, on this particular day in Ontario, was over 4X more likely to test positive for COVID than a vaccinated person. This doesn't consider the likelihood of hospitalization or death from COVID - which, according to the same data, seems to show a much higher disparity between vaccinated and unvaccinated.

The data actually does show the rates as well. The rates are also considerably closer together than they were when they began reporting in this manner.