Female students assaulted by transgender students in bathroom

[Szdfan]

In the cases of sexual violence that I’m familiar with, all the investigative work was done by law enforcement, not the institution I worked for. Us employees were also under strict instructions not to breathe a word about any of this to anyone.

These two things are generally considered best practices.

[Falco Underhill]

1. The quotes by Obama and McAulliffe are out of context and not in response to this article or event.

Well, that certainly doesn't do The Gateway Pundit any credit.

2. The events happened before the school district had any sort of “bathroom policy”

According to a Fox News report, "... a male student in a skirt allegedly assaulted a female student in a girls' bathroom – while the board was considering a controversial transgender rule."

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.foxnew ... r-race.amp

[Ken]

1. The quotes by Obama and McAulliffe are out of context and not in response to this article or event.

Well, that certainly doesn't do The Gateway Pundit any credit.

2. The events happened before the school district had any sort of “bathroom policy”

According to a Fox News report, "... a male student in a skirt allegedly assaulted a female student in a girls' bathroom – while the board was considering a controversial transgender rule."

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.foxnew ... r-race.amp

Szdfan and I are probably the only ones here who have actually dealt with this sort of thing in real life as teachers. Here is how it actually works in real life when you have a transgender student.

The student who is almost certainly under the care of their physician and psychologists presents themselves to the school administration, counselors, and school psychologist if the district is large enough to have one, and they have a meeting or series of meetings to work out whatever various accommodations are in order for that particular student. The results of those meetings generate a nice fat file, just like with any other student who has medical accommodations like for diabetes or epilepsy, or learning disorder or any other issue at all that generates the need for accommodations. The student’s classroom teachers may or may not be involved at this point in the process, usually they like to fold in at least one classroom teacher into the meetings to keep everyone in the loop. I have been to literally hundreds of such meetings over the years for every type of accommodation from insulin to ADHD medication to every type of learning disability and behavior issue to yes, the very infrequent transgender student.

After all this happens and the school agrees to a plan, the student’s classroom teachers and any other staff who would have a reason to be informed are brought into the loop and informed that they have x-student who is transgender and has y-list of accommodations that have been agreed to by the school administration, parents, and student. And then you get a list that might include preferred name (if different from the legal name on the roster), preferred pronouns, bathroom procedures (if there are any) and any additional information that you might need to know to best accommodate that student in your classroom. THEN AND ONLY THEN might you let that student use a different bathroom, or in some cases, perhaps the faculty bathroom. The process is the same whether you have a student with a disability in a wheelchair, a student with learning disabilities, a student with behavioral issues, a student who needs special medications, or any other student with any sort of accommodation that is different from what you would normally allow for other students.

Despite the breathless news coverage about this event, what does NOT EVER HAPPEN is that some random kid who decided to wear a dress to school is allowed to use the girl’s bathroom. Not ever. You go through a very long list of administrative process until that particular accommodation is ever agreed to by the school.

So as a teacher and a parent, I’m completely unconcerned about any of this because I happen to know these policies do not mean the end of single-sex bathrooms, or any sort of free for all in school bathrooms for any kid who might happen on a given day to claim to be LGBT and decide to use a different bathroom. That simply doesn’t happen. This is a specific accommodation that a given district or school would not authorize except for a specific student and only after going through the sort of process that I just described.

[Falco Underhill]

Szdfan and I are probably the only ones here who have actually dealt with this sort of thing in real life as teachers. Here is how it actually works in real life when you have a transgender student.

The student who is almost certainly under the care of their physician and psychologists presents themselves to the school administration, counselors, and school psychologist if the district is large enough to have one, and they have a meeting or series of meetings to work out whatever various accommodations are in order for that particular student. The results of those meetings generate a nice fat file, just like with any other student who has medical accommodations like for diabetes or epilepsy, or learning disorder or any other issue at all that generates the need for accommodations. The student’s classroom teachers may or may not be involved at this point in the process, usually they like to fold in at least one classroom teacher into the meetings to keep everyone in the loop. I have been to literally hundreds of such meetings over the years for every type of accommodation from insulin to ADHD medication to every type of learning disability and behavior issue to yes, the very infrequent transgender student.

After all this happens and the school agrees to a plan, the student’s classroom teachers and any other staff who would have a reason to be informed are brought into the loop and informed that they have x-student who is transgender and has y-list of accommodations that have been agreed to by the school administration, parents, and student. And then you get a list that might include preferred name (if different from the legal name on the roster), preferred pronouns, bathroom procedures (if there are any) and any additional information that you might need to know to best accommodate that student in your classroom. THEN AND ONLY THEN might you let that student use a different bathroom, or in some cases, perhaps the faculty bathroom. The process is the same whether you have a student with a disability in a wheelchair, a student with learning disabilities, a student with behavioral issues, a student who needs special medications, or any other student with any sort of accommodation that is different from what you would normally allow for other students.

Despite the breathless news coverage about this event, what does NOT EVER HAPPEN is that some random kid who decided to wear a dress to school is allowed to use the girl’s bathroom. Not ever. You go through a very long list of administrative process until that particular accommodation is ever agreed to by the school.

So as a teacher and a parent, I’m completely unconcerned about any of this because I happen to know these policies do not mean the end of single-sex bathrooms, or any sort of free for all in school bathrooms for any kid who might happen on a given day to claim to be LGBT and decide to use a different bathroom. That simply doesn’t happen. This is a specific accommodation that a given district or school would not authorize except for a specific student and only after going through the sort of process that I just described.

The school's policy simply states "Students shall be allowed to use the facility that
corresponds to their consistently asserted gender identity."

None of those procedures you mentioned are required by the policy, which can be read here —

https://go.boarddocs.com/vsba/loudoun/B ... 02021).pdf

[Szdfan]

1. The quotes by Obama and McAulliffe are out of context and not in response to this article or event.

Well, that certainly doesn't do The Gateway Pundit any credit.

2. The events happened before the school district had any sort of “bathroom policy”

According to a Fox News report, "... a male student in a skirt allegedly assaulted a female student in a girls' bathroom – while the board was considering a controversial transgender rule."

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.foxnew ... r-race.amp

What does the word “considering” mean? Does it mean that the policy was in effect during the assault? The assault was reported in May, the policy wasn’t implemented until August. This student didn’t rely on a trans-inclusive bathroom policy to assault another student.

[Falco Underhill]

1. The quotes by Obama and McAulliffe are out of context and not in response to this article or event.

Well, that certainly doesn't do The Gateway Pundit any credit.

2. The events happened before the school district had any sort of “bathroom policy”

According to a Fox News report, "... a male student in a skirt allegedly assaulted a female student in a girls' bathroom – while the board was considering a controversial transgender rule."

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.foxnew ... r-race.amp

What does the word “considering” mean? Does it mean that the policy was in effect during the assault?

You're asking the wrong person. I didn't write the article, I'm just quoting it.

[Szdfan]

Well, that certainly doesn't do The Gateway Pundit any credit.



According to a Fox News report, "... a male student in a skirt allegedly assaulted a female student in a girls' bathroom – while the board was considering a controversial transgender rule."

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.foxnew ... r-race.amp

What does the word “considering” mean? Does it mean that the policy was in effect during the assault? The assault was reported in May, the policy wasn’t implemented until August. This student didn’t rely on a trans-inclusive bathroom policy to assault another student.

I'm just quoting a news article.

Right…but you seem to be using it to say something that the article isn’t saying. The argument being made is that trans-inclusive bathroom policies enable males to assault females. That’s not what happened here.

[Falco Underhill]

Right…but you seem to be using it to say something that the article isn’t saying.

I just quoted the article. When I want to say more, I will.

[Ken]

Szdfan and I are probably the only ones here who have actually dealt with this sort of thing in real life as teachers. Here is how it actually works in real life when you have a transgender student.

The student who is almost certainly under the care of their physician and psychologists presents themselves to the school administration, counselors, and school psychologist if the district is large enough to have one, and they have a meeting or series of meetings to work out whatever various accommodations are in order for that particular student. The results of those meetings generate a nice fat file, just like with any other student who has medical accommodations like for diabetes or epilepsy, or learning disorder or any other issue at all that generates the need for accommodations. The student’s classroom teachers may or may not be involved at this point in the process, usually they like to fold in at least one classroom teacher into the meetings to keep everyone in the loop. I have been to literally hundreds of such meetings over the years for every type of accommodation from insulin to ADHD medication to every type of learning disability and behavior issue to yes, the very infrequent transgender student.

After all this happens and the school agrees to a plan, the student’s classroom teachers and any other staff who would have a reason to be informed are brought into the loop and informed that they have x-student who is transgender and has y-list of accommodations that have been agreed to by the school administration, parents, and student. And then you get a list that might include preferred name (if different from the legal name on the roster), preferred pronouns, bathroom procedures (if there are any) and any additional information that you might need to know to best accommodate that student in your classroom. THEN AND ONLY THEN might you let that student use a different bathroom, or in some cases, perhaps the faculty bathroom. The process is the same whether you have a student with a disability in a wheelchair, a student with learning disabilities, a student with behavioral issues, a student who needs special medications, or any other student with any sort of accommodation that is different from what you would normally allow for other students.

Despite the breathless news coverage about this event, what does NOT EVER HAPPEN is that some random kid who decided to wear a dress to school is allowed to use the girl’s bathroom. Not ever. You go through a very long list of administrative process until that particular accommodation is ever agreed to by the school.

So as a teacher and a parent, I’m completely unconcerned about any of this because I happen to know these policies do not mean the end of single-sex bathrooms, or any sort of free for all in school bathrooms for any kid who might happen on a given day to claim to be LGBT and decide to use a different bathroom. That simply doesn’t happen. This is a specific accommodation that a given district or school would not authorize except for a specific student and only after going through the sort of process that I just described.

The school's policy simply states "Students shall be allowed to use the facility that
corresponds to their consistently asserted gender identity."

None of those procedures you mentioned are required by the policy, which can be read here —

https://go.boarddocs.com/vsba/loudoun/B ... 02021).pdf

Read to the end of the document which is a general statement of policy on behalf of the school board to where they state: "The Superintendent is authorized to develop implementing regulations and school procedures to ensure consistency in practices." which is exactly what happens in these sorts of cases. The superintendent's office which deals with the minutia of school policy (not the school board) will come up with a set of procedures to accommodate transgender students that will more or less be along the lines of what I described. To "ensure consistency" they will develop some sort of bureaucratic prior-approval process. And students who wish for that accommodation will need to go through the process and it will most certainly require prior approval. I would expect some sort of documentation from a psychologist to be required. As you quoted: "Students shall be allowed to use the facility that corresponds to their consistently asserted gender identity." I would expect some sort of required document from a psychologist or at a minimum, the student and parents declaring in writing that MALE or FEMALE is their consistently asserted gender identity and not just at school, but consistently which means 24/7. Schools are all about creating a paperwork trail when it comes to this sort of thing. Which most definitely would exclude some random guy who decided to mess around and wear a dress some random day.

This is the way that it works for EVERY single accommodation of this sort. Trust me. My daughter has asthma and carries an albuterol inhaler with her in school as she is ENTITLED to do. However we went through a whole process where her primary care physician submitted a signed form letter to the school nurse which was entered into her school medical file noting that she was entitled to carry an inhaler and the circumstances upon which she may use it. And we have to repeat the process at the start of every single school year as does every single student who may need to take any medication at school. Some random kid who takes her inhaler or brings one from home without going through this process would likely be disciplined for taking prescription medicine in school without prior permission. Kids can't even bring Tylenol to school without going through this sort of process (although many probably do and it is just overlooked, at least at the HS level but woe to the kid who even gives Tylenol to another student at school).

[Szdfan]

Right…but you seem to be using it to say something that the article isn’t saying.

I just quoted the article. When I want to say more, I will.

Well…okaaay. You also bolded it, which implies you thought it was important, but suit yourself.