Coronavirus Outbreak

[GaryK]

Interesting report by Sharyl Attkisson on the Amish and Covid.

https://fullmeasure.news/news/shows/amish-covid

[Valerie]

Interesting report by Sharyl Attkisson on the Amish and Covid.

https://fullmeasure.news/news/shows/amish-covid

I think one important aspect to the way the Amish approach the Chrome of Iris and any disease, is to accept the will of God when a member of their community passes for any reason. "God's will" is their approach, so they don't fear death but accept it.

The interview and what was said reminds me of an 80 something year old Amish woman I heard about through an Amish driver friend who got covid and double pneumonia and was in the hospital. As was brought up in the video the Amish want to be at home when sick, so she said if she was going to die she wanted to die at home. So they allowed her to go home with hospice and oxygen. She did not die several months later she's doing well-

Is there something to be gained by observing the way the Amish approached covid?

[Grace]

I am not opposed to Covid Vaccines, but how can this be? In the UK the vaccinated cases are exceeding the unvaccinated cases in those over age 30 group.


Page 13 on the report.



https://assets.publishing.service.gov.u ... eek_40.pdf

[Valerie]

I am not opposed to Covid Vaccines, but how can this be? In the UK the vaccinated cases are exceeding the unvaccinated cases in those over age 30 group.


Page 13 on the report.



https://assets.publishing.service.gov.u ... eek_40.pdf

Don't you wonder why nurses are opposed to getting them in so many places even protesting the mandate or leaving their careers? Why? What do they know? My husband is in the world renowned Cleveland clinic and they don't even mandate vaccines in their staff. Why or why not?

[Grace]

I am not opposed to Covid Vaccines, but how can this be? In the UK the vaccinated cases are exceeding the unvaccinated cases in those over age 30 group.


Page 13 on the report.



https://assets.publishing.service.gov.u ... eek_40.pdf

Don't you wonder why nurses are opposed to getting them in so many places even protesting the mandate or leaving their careers? Why? What do they know? My husband is in the world renowned Cleveland clinic and they don't even mandate vaccines in their staff. Why or why not?

I don't believe that the vaccine is the mark of the beast ( but possibly the identification aspect might be a prelude to that) or that the vaccinated will be dead in three years, as some claim. However I do believe that the efficacy of the vaccine was way over rated, which is being revealed at this point. Of course those who believe every claim that Fauci and Biden make, will never admit that.

[mike]

I am not opposed to Covid Vaccines, but how can this be? In the UK the vaccinated cases are exceeding the unvaccinated cases in those over age 30 group.


Page 13 on the report.



https://assets.publishing.service.gov.u ... eek_40.pdf

Here is the chart you posted, with the footnotes which were not included in your screenshot.



Below are the next three charts in the report.







The study's findings are summarized in this chart.

[Robert]

I don't understand that last chart. Could you explain it?

[Ken]

What part don’t you understand? The numbers or the color-coding?

It is saying that the various vaccines reduce the incidence of those for things (symptoms, hospitalization, and death) by the percentages cited on the table. But that the data are best for Pfizer and AZ for hospitalizations, probably because those numbers have been independently confirmed by outside studies. While for the other vaccines and incidences they are probably just numbers pulled from government records without independent vetting or study for possible errors.

Because none of the vaccines provide 100% protection against Covid, you are still going to see break through cases everywhere. And even in a 100% vaccinated population you are still going to see some cases. The question is whether or not the vaccines provide increased protection relative to no vaccine. And that it what the table is showing.

The other more important question is whether or not the vaccines reduce the R-value of the virus to below 1.0 such that the pandemic can be brought to an end. The chart doesn’t tell us this. It stands to reason that if it is decreasing infections it is reducing the R-value of the virus. But whether or not it is reducing it to substantially below 1.0 to achieve herd immunity of course depends on the percentage vaccinated and the distribution of those who are vaccinated.

[Josh]

I don't understand that last chart. Could you explain it?

It’s saying there is little evidence supporting those numbers for any vaccine to prevent hospitalisation, death, or infection.

The Pfizer and Moderna vaccines do seem to have evidence they prevent symptoms.

[nett]

More devastation to the COVID vaccine fanatic agenda. I wonder how much empirical data it will take to stop the vaccine insanity.

At the country-level, there appears to be no discernable relationship between percentage of population fully vaccinated and new COVID-19 cases in the last 7 days (Fig. 1). In fact, the trend line suggests a marginally positive association such that countries with higher percentage of population fully vaccinated have higher COVID-19 cases per 1 million people. Notably, Israel with over 60% of their population fully vaccinated had the highest COVID-19 cases per 1 million people in the last 7 days. The lack of a meaningful association between percentage population fully vaccinated and new COVID-19 cases is further exemplified, for instance, by comparison of Iceland and Portugal. Both countries have over 75% of their population fully vaccinated and have more COVID-19 cases per 1 million people than countries such as Vietnam and South Africa that have around 10% of their population fully vaccinated.

https://link.springer.com/article/10.10 ... 21-00808-7