Coronavirus Outbreak

[Robert]

For transplant patients, why should Covid-19 be treated differently than any other vaccine?

These are new types of vaccine. We need to be honest that the research and the testing has been rushed. Mandating something that is still in EUA seems risky to me when there are other options.

Is it wrong to ask patients to stop smoking or avoid alcohol? Is it wrong to ask them to get a MMR vaccine? Or a Hep-B vaccine?

Nope. I think all illegal immigrants should be required to have all their shots before being released. It is best for them and the society.

I see no issue with promoting an EUA vaccine. I see an issue with mandating it before all the research has been done with a IFR as low as Covid has.

Organs are scarce. This affects the probable success.

So does high blood pressure. One university would not allow me to donate because mine has raised the day of testing for me. I later found out two things causing it to spike and have since corrected one, the other is white coat syndrome. Can't do much for that. I was later able to donate. Without the donation, it is a death ticket for the other person, so a raised mortality to a sure mortality seems acceptable to me. There are other ways of early treatment that would bring that rate down, but since no early treatment is being used, any flu or viral infection will raise the mortality rate.

Covid IS BAD. I HAS to be treated early. I can not understand why people think a wait and see method is best to such a serious illness. We do not do that with cancer or the flu.

[Ken]

For transplant patients, why should Covid-19 be treated differently than any other vaccine?

These are new types of vaccine. We need to be honest that the research and the testing has been rushed. Mandating something that is still in EUA seems risky to me when there are other options.

Is it wrong to ask patients to stop smoking or avoid alcohol? Is it wrong to ask them to get a MMR vaccine? Or a Hep-B vaccine?

Nope. I think all illegal immigrants should be required to have all their shots before being released. It is best for them and the society.

I see no issue with promoting an EUA vaccine. I see an issue with mandating it before all the research has been done with a IFR as low as Covid has.

Organs are scarce. This affects the probable success.

So does high blood pressure. One university would not allow me to donate because mine has raised the day of testing for me. I later found out two things causing it to spike and have since corrected one, the other is white coat syndrome. Can't do much for that. I was later able to donate. Without the donation, it is a death ticket for the other person, so a raised mortality to a sure mortality seems acceptable to me. There are other ways of early treatment that would bring that rate down, but since no early treatment is being used, any flu or viral infection will raise the mortality rate.

Covid IS BAD. I HAS to be treated early. I can not understand why people think a wait and see method is best to such a serious illness. We do not do that with cancer or the flu.

The Pfizer vaccine has been fully FDA approved (no longer under EUA) since August for everyone 16 and older. I don't known of many organ transplant patients who are under age 16.

[Josh]

For transplant patients, why should Covid-19 be treated differently than any other vaccine?

These are new types of vaccine. We need to be honest that the research and the testing has been rushed. Mandating something that is still in EUA seems risky to me when there are other options.

Is it wrong to ask patients to stop smoking or avoid alcohol? Is it wrong to ask them to get a MMR vaccine? Or a Hep-B vaccine?

Nope. I think all illegal immigrants should be required to have all their shots before being released. It is best for them and the society.

I see no issue with promoting an EUA vaccine. I see an issue with mandating it before all the research has been done with a IFR as low as Covid has.

Organs are scarce. This affects the probable success.

So does high blood pressure. One university would not allow me to donate because mine has raised the day of testing for me. I later found out two things causing it to spike and have since corrected one, the other is white coat syndrome. Can't do much for that. I was later able to donate. Without the donation, it is a death ticket for the other person, so a raised mortality to a sure mortality seems acceptable to me. There are other ways of early treatment that would bring that rate down, but since no early treatment is being used, any flu or viral infection will raise the mortality rate.

Covid IS BAD. I HAS to be treated early. I can not understand why people think a wait and see method is best to such a serious illness. We do not do that with cancer or the flu.

The Pfizer vaccine has been fully FDA approved (no longer under EUA) since August for everyone 16 and older. I don't known of many organ transplant patients who are under age 16.

The current Pfizer vaccine is the EUA version. That’s what you get at a CVS, etc

Comirnaty (the FDA approved version) is not available on the market until projected for 2024.

[Ken]

These are new types of vaccine. We need to be honest that the research and the testing has been rushed. Mandating something that is still in EUA seems risky to me when there are other options.



Nope. I think all illegal immigrants should be required to have all their shots before being released. It is best for them and the society.

I see no issue with promoting an EUA vaccine. I see an issue with mandating it before all the research has been done with a IFR as low as Covid has.



So does high blood pressure. One university would not allow me to donate because mine has raised the day of testing for me. I later found out two things causing it to spike and have since corrected one, the other is white coat syndrome. Can't do much for that. I was later able to donate. Without the donation, it is a death ticket for the other person, so a raised mortality to a sure mortality seems acceptable to me. There are other ways of early treatment that would bring that rate down, but since no early treatment is being used, any flu or viral infection will raise the mortality rate.

Covid IS BAD. I HAS to be treated early. I can not understand why people think a wait and see method is best to such a serious illness. We do not do that with cancer or the flu.

The Pfizer vaccine has been fully FDA approved (no longer under EUA) since August for everyone 16 and older. I don't known of many organ transplant patients who are under age 16.

The current Pfizer vaccine is the EUA version. That’s what you get at a CVS, etc

Comirnaty (the FDA approved version) is not available on the market until projected for 2024.

It’s the same exact vaccine with the same formulation. They just came up with a new marketing name. The FDA approved the current Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine and says they are identical and interchangeable. Look it up if you don’t believe me. The EUA only remains in effect for ages 12-15.

[Falco Underhill]

The Pfizer vaccine has been fully FDA approved (no longer under EUA) since August for everyone 16 and older. I don't known of many organ transplant patients who are under age 16.

The average time it takes for FDA approval is 12 years so this
seems to have been rushed through for some reason...

[Bootstrap]

Shouldn't an antibody titer be considered as an alternative to vaccination? As I've shown in a previous post, vaccination is dangerous and unnecessary for those who have previously had a COVID infection.

Has this patient had Covid-19 and asked to use an antibody titer instead? Do you know for a fact that the hospital would not accept an antibody titer?

The complete disregard for natural immunity points to a specific agenda for vaccination rather than simply public health, hence the outrage.

But do you even know whether this is relevant? I think the outrage is basically a lifestyle. There will be a new outrage every few days. Some people hang out gathering outrage, then they share that outrage with their friends. Senator Geitner tweeted this in the afternoon on October 5th, and the very next day, it's the daily outrage. Some people spend hours a day keeping up on today's outrage so they can share it with their friends.

Regardless, these doctors do have the right to make medical judgements for this vaccine, just as they do for other vaccines. And none of us is really in a position to second-guess them. We don't know the basic facts.

[Falco Underhill]

I think the outrage is basically a lifestyle. There will be a new outrage every few days. Some people hang out gathering outrage, then they share that outrage with their friends. Senator Geitner tweeted this in the afternoon on October 5th, and the very next day, it's the daily outrage. Some people spend hours a day keeping up on today's outrage so they can share it with their friends.

This conversation has been pretty charitable between the opposing sides. I have seen legitimate concern but not outrage. You seem to bring that with you wherever you go. Check the log in your eye.

[Bootstrap]

I think the outrage is basically a lifestyle. There will be a new outrage every few days. Some people hang out gathering outrage, then they share that outrage with their friends. Senator Geitner tweeted this in the afternoon on October 5th, and the very next day, it's the daily outrage. Some people spend hours a day keeping up on today's outrage so they can share it with their friends.

From a personal perspective, I think this conversation has been pretty charitable between opposing sides. The only outrage so far is that which you bring to it yourself.

I think I mostly ask what sources would tell us if something is true or not, compare this vaccine to other vaccines, etc. And mostly to calm down what seem to be overblown fears. To suggest that we rely on verifiable truth when we do get involved in these things.

But you're right it does seem to be a lifestyle ...

Fact-checking is, in fact, a bit of a lifestyle for me. I work in an applied research environment, have for my entire career. And reminding Christians to slow down and calm down and even to ignore a lot of the political noise is also a bit of a lifestyle for me.

You're right that it often just means that the outrage is turned to me. But I know to expect that.

[Falco Underhill]

I think the outrage is basically a lifestyle. There will be a new outrage every few days. Some people hang out gathering outrage, then they share that outrage with their friends. Senator Geitner tweeted this in the afternoon on October 5th, and the very next day, it's the daily outrage. Some people spend hours a day keeping up on today's outrage so they can share it with their friends.

From a personal perspective, I think this conversation has been pretty charitable between opposing sides. The only outrage so far is that which you bring to it yourself.

I think I mostly ask what sources would tell us if something is true or not, compare this vaccine to other vaccines, etc. And mostly to calm down what seem to be overblown fears.

But you're right it does seem to be a lifestyle ...

Fact-checking is, in fact, a bit of a lifestyle for me. I work in an applied research environment, have for my entire career.

That explains a lot.

[Bootstrap]

Fact-checking is, in fact, a bit of a lifestyle for me. I work in an applied research environment, have for my entire career.

That explains a lot.

It probably does ;->

I spend a lot of my life chasing down facts and putting them in perspective.