temporal1 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 21, 2021 2:53 pm
(i believe) numerous medications are regularly prescribed for “off-label” purposes.
one example, birth control pills are prescribed for various complaints.
Yes but you need to show that the treatment you are prescribing meets the “standard of care” for whatever the issue or ailment is. Ivermectin is not the current “standard of care” for Covid here in the US. The manufacturer and regulatory authorities actually recommend against it. The fact that it might be commonly used in rural India or someplace else is not going to be a good defense in court if someone’s spouse dies and they sue you for prescribing Ivermectin over some more traditional and approved therapy.
Are the risks of that happening high? Probably not. But they are higher than if you prescribe the standard FDA approved treatments. Many doctors are risk-adverse for good reason. We live in an extremely litigious society. If you hang out with doctors enough, one of the topics that always comes up is malpractice lawsuits. Everyone knows someone who has faced egregiously unjustified malpractice lawsuits. And even if you win it is still a part of your licensing record and it will still upend your life.
So I’m guessing that is a big reason why a lot of doctors won’t prescribe Ivermectin even if they might personally be agnostic about it.
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A fool can throw out more questions than a wise man can answer. -RZehr
the internet is damaging to human communications+interactions.
so is human law. fear of litigation CRIPPLES the “developed” world.
it’s more than evident on-this-forum, what a great false god human law+gov has become.
actually, not unlike the world that greeted Jesus Christ 2000+ years ago. choking on human law.
He said, “Follow me.”
Is there a reason you don't want to get a prescription from a doctor? We have no problems getting it legitimately around here.
I seriously doubt his primary care physician would prescribe it, I bought the horsey kind, I'm just nervous about it
Probably for malpractice reasons. Any doctor who prescribes medication for off-label use is opening themselves up to increased risk of malpractice lawsuits if something goes wrong and the medication doesn’t work or there are noxious side effects.
Our GPs around here have no issue with it. Ivermectin is very safe.
temporal1 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 21, 2021 3:10 pm
i couldn’t agree with you more about our litigious society.
we are literally CHOKING on law, with NO relief insight. people keep voting for MORE.
it affects all parts of our lives. every intimate detail.
the internet is damaging to human communications+interactions.
so is human law. fear of litigation CRIPPLES the “developed” world.
it’s more than evident on-this-forum, what a great false god human law+gov has become.
actually, not unlike the world that greeted Jesus Christ 2000+ years ago. choking on human law.
He said, “Follow me.”
Are you disturbed by the fact that women would sue for that?
Or are you disturbed by the fact that men would do that on purpose without the consent of their partners?
Or the fact that college students are having sex?
I honestly don’t think there is more premarital sex happening today than when I was in college 40 years ago. Statistics say there isn’t. But it has sure gotten a lot more complicated these days.
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A fool can throw out more questions than a wise man can answer. -RZehr
temporal1 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 21, 2021 3:10 pm
i couldn’t agree with you more about our litigious society.
we are literally CHOKING on law, with NO relief insight. people keep voting for MORE.
it affects all parts of our lives. every intimate detail.
the internet is damaging to human communications+interactions.
so is human law. fear of litigation CRIPPLES the “developed” world.
it’s more than evident on-this-forum, what a great false god human law+gov has become.
actually, not unlike the world that greeted Jesus Christ 2000+ years ago. choking on human law.
He said, “Follow me.”
Are you disturbed by the fact that women would sue for that?
Or are you disturbed by the fact that men would do that on purpose without the consent of their partners?
Or the fact that college students are having sex?
I honestly don’t think there is more premarital sex happening today than when I was in college 40 years ago. Statistics say there isn’t. But it has sure gotten a lot more complicated these days.
My response:
Male or female. Refuse to fornicate. Refuse sodomy.
Refuse to be intimate with anyone you’re not willing to raise a child with. (i’d rather have a child than HIV AIDS, STDs, certain cancers, etc.)
Raise your self esteem! You have choices. Be empowered. Do not be a slave to animal instincts.
Male or female. Make choices that PREVENT problems, rather than walking right into them.
Valerie wrote: ↑Tue Sep 21, 2021 2:26 pm
I seriously doubt his primary care physician would prescribe it, I bought the horsey kind, I'm just nervous about it
Probably for malpractice reasons. Any doctor who prescribes medication for off-label use is opening themselves up to increased risk of malpractice lawsuits if something goes wrong and the medication doesn’t work or there are noxious side effects.
Our GPs around here have no issue with it. Ivermectin is very safe.
It’s not about the safety. It’s about the effectiveness. If a doctor prescribes Ivermectin over some other treatment like monoclonal antibodies and the patient gets sick or dies the family could sue because the doctor prescribed a treatment regimen that was ineffective. And then you get into a battle of studies and such and have to defend why you chose an unapproved treatment over all the other possible remedies.
I’m just saying that is a likely reason why many doctors are hesitant or refuse to prescribe Ivermectin. They don’t want to get sued if it goes wrong. Patients and their families sue for any reason or no reason at all. It is a fact of life in medicine.
And malpractice law differs greatly from state to state. So what happens in your state may be very different from what happens in other states. When we moved from TX to WA my wife was absolutely shocked by how much more prescription opioids were prescribed in WA. Doctors are much more reticent to prescribe opioids in TX because the medical board frowns upon it and you can have your license reviewed and investigated if you prescribe too many opioids. It is the opposite in WA. You can be investigated if you don’t adequately treat patient pain.
Personally I’m agnostic about Ivermectin. I’m just tossing out one theory as to why doctors might be reasonably reluctant to prescribe it for Covid at this time.
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A fool can throw out more questions than a wise man can answer. -RZehr
Valerie wrote: ↑Tue Sep 21, 2021 1:08 pm
I bought ivermectin yesterday, but of course it's the kind for horses. The cashier at the store told me she is selling a lot of it for covid people.
I'm really nervous about giving it to my husband! I am giving him lots of supplements. He is on two transplant medications so I looked up the warnings of interactions for his transplant medications. Interestingly enough, vaccines are on the list of interactions with his transplant medications! Including the covid-19 vaccine!
Did you get the pour on, the injectable, or the oral paste?
Valerie wrote: ↑Tue Sep 21, 2021 1:08 pm
I bought ivermectin yesterday, but of course it's the kind for horses. The cashier at the store told me she is selling a lot of it for covid people.
I'm really nervous about giving it to my husband! I am giving him lots of supplements. He is on two transplant medications so I looked up the warnings of interactions for his transplant medications. Interestingly enough, vaccines are on the list of interactions with his transplant medications! Including the covid-19 vaccine!
Did you get the pour on, the injectable, or the oral paste?
I'm sure someone has told you this... but can't you get a script from the doctors in Florida at least? self dosing with a dosing guide for animals isn't very safe.
Ken:
.. Personally I’m agnostic about Ivermectin. I’m just tossing out one theory as to why doctors might be reasonably reluctant to prescribe it for Covid at this time.
Valerie wrote: ↑Tue Sep 21, 2021 1:08 pm
I bought ivermectin yesterday, but of course it's the kind for horses. The cashier at the store told me she is selling a lot of it for covid people.
I'm really nervous about giving it to my husband! I am giving him lots of supplements. He is on two transplant medications so I looked up the warnings of interactions for his transplant medications. Interestingly enough, vaccines are on the list of interactions with his transplant medications! Including the covid-19 vaccine!
Did you get the pour on, the injectable, or the oral paste?
I bought the oral paste that is all they carried. I did call his primary care physician who is from india. In fact he just got back from India so I asked if he would prescribe ivermectin and his office staff said no. I'm sure he's aware what they're doing in India since he just got back but it could be as Ken said unfortunately that's a reality for doctors.
I talked to a former nurse in Tennessee who also could not get a prescription for the humankind so she bought the horse paste. She believes they're directive to not prescribe it is coming from higher up. She did talk to a pharmacist that pulled her aside and told her the horse kind is the same strength as a human kind and concentration. That was commonly prescribed for scabies and head lice in people
