Wade wrote: ↑Sat Sep 11, 2021 1:06 pm
I don't care enough to search it out again but the CDC website stated that if someone dies with COVID they count it as a COVID death even if it was not the cause. Every reasonable information I have read is saying that if someone dies with COVID after being vaccinated they typical define the cause is from whatever other co-morbidity or health issue the person was facing. So we really don't have good reason to believe what you or the CDC is presenting as "facts" in sthe charts or numbers shared as much as understanding that they are manipulated numbers to project whatever adjenda or bias they support. The vaccine may even help but it doesn't gain a person's trust who is able to see through their inconsistencies and left out information to make their beliefs look bigger and better than what is outside giving ALL of the facts consistently.
Let's do one thread per fact-check.
Here's another claim: Wade claims "the CDC website stated that if someone dies with COVID they count it as a COVID death even if it was not the cause". Is it true?
This claim seems to flatly contradict the way the CDC says deaths should be counted in their instructions to the people doing this.
A death is called Covid only if the person who filled out the death certificate believes that Covid was a cause of death or contributed to the death. I believe that means that the rules for Covid are the same as for any other cause of death. Did I miss something? If so, what?
When a person dies, the cause of death is determined by the certifier – the physician, medical examiner, or coroner who reports it on the
death certificate. States register all death certificates and send them to the National Center for Health Statistics, where they are used to
produce the nation’s official death statistics.
When COVID-19 is reported as a cause of death on the death certificate, it is coded and counted as a death due to COVID-19.
COVID-19 should not be reported on the death certificate if it did not cause or contribute to the death.
If a dead body had a positive test they get marked as a covid death. So people who get killed in car accidents end up being listed in covid statistics.
I wouldn’t object to this, except covid statistics are being used as justification for forced vaccinations, etc
Josh wrote: ↑Sat Sep 11, 2021 2:01 pm
If a dead body had a positive test they get marked as a covid death. So people who get killed in car accidents end up being listed in covid statistics.
False. See above. The CDC specifically tells people marking deaths not to do that.
In a car accident, Covid-19 did not cause or contribute to the death. The death certificate will not claim it did. I'm wondering if they would even bother testing someone who dies in a car accident for Covid-19.
Josh wrote: ↑Sat Sep 11, 2021 2:01 pm
If a dead body had a positive test they get marked as a covid death. So people who get killed in car accidents end up being listed in covid statistics.
False. See above. The CDC specifically tells people marking deaths not to do that.
In a car accident, Covid-19 did not cause or contribute to the death. The death certificate will not claim it did. I'm wondering if they would even bother testing someone who dies in a car accident for Covid-19.
Yet plenty of us know second hand accounts of that happening. Mennonites are a small world, and when someone dies. Everyone talks about it. Often a volunteer firefighter from church is on the EMT squad.
And this kind of death rate inflation happens.
Boot, almost every person in my church has had covid, out of 150 or so members. And we’re told the death rate is 1.8%. Nobody’s died. It seems statistically impossible.
Josh wrote: ↑Sat Sep 11, 2021 2:22 pm
Yet plenty of us know second hand accounts of that happening. Mennonites are a small world, and when someone dies. Everyone talks about it. Often a volunteer firefighter from church is on the EMT squad.
I'm sure there are rumors. But if this is actually happening, are there reliable reports of it happening? If not, why not? Can you find reliable information on this?
This is precisely the kind of thing that would make great headlines if it were true and verifiable. I don't see those headlines.
Josh wrote: ↑Sat Sep 11, 2021 2:22 pm
Yet plenty of us know second hand accounts of that happening. Mennonites are a small world, and when someone dies. Everyone talks about it. Often a volunteer firefighter from church is on the EMT squad.
I'm sure there are rumors. But if this is actually happening, are there reliable reports of it happening? If not, why not? Can you find reliable information on this?
This is precisely the kind of thing that would make great headlines if it were true and verifiable. I don't see those headlines.
That wouldn't make good headlines. That would downplay the numbers, and be anti-alarmist. That doesn't sell, and the news agency that did so would face the vitriol of the cancellation activists for running a story contrary to the narrative. That's a lose-lose, doesn't sell, and they have to deal with drama.
I've had a few hospital staff confirm that they are inflating COVID deaths as a matter of policy, one was a clinical nurse manager of an ICU. It has to do with getting federal dollars for the death.
Josh wrote: ↑Sat Sep 11, 2021 2:22 pmYet plenty of us know second hand accounts of that happening. Mennonites are a small world, and when someone dies. Everyone talks about it. Often a volunteer firefighter from church is on the EMT squad.
and if that emt is talking about calls and such outside of the call, with someone who was not involved on that call, that can very easily become a violation of law.
Josh wrote: ↑Sat Sep 11, 2021 2:22 pmYet plenty of us know second hand accounts of that happening. Mennonites are a small world, and when someone dies. Everyone talks about it. Often a volunteer firefighter from church is on the EMT squad.
and if that emt is talking about calls and such outside of the call, with someone who was not involved on that call, that can very easily become a violation of law.
Happens all the time, with personal details removed. Most emt, doctor, nurse, etc. do this with their friends/family.
Example: all the nurses putting up videos on Twitter/TikTok about “I have a patient who just had to be intubated and regrets not being vaccinated!” Is this a violation of the law?
Josh wrote: ↑Sat Sep 11, 2021 2:22 pm
Yet plenty of us know second hand accounts of that happening. Mennonites are a small world, and when someone dies. Everyone talks about it. Often a volunteer firefighter from church is on the EMT squad.
I'm sure there are rumors. But if this is actually happening, are there reliable reports of it happening? If not, why not? Can you find reliable information on this?
This is precisely the kind of thing that would make great headlines if it were true and verifiable. I don't see those headlines.
Someone talking to me face to face who is a fellow church member is true and verifiable. They aren’t going to lie and make stuff up. This I believe what they say.
Newspaper reporters aren’t asking them for details about things like this.
If you want a “true and verifiable” story, Boot, we have a church nursing home that had 33 residents. They all get vaccinated. 14 of those residents are now dead. Most of them were recorded as covid deaths.
I’d be glad to talk to you in further detail about it on the phone or in person.