Ivermectin

[RZehr]

https://www.foxnews.com/media/rolling-s ... tory-false

Its really hard to keep up with the spread of lies.

Right, so why try?

[ragpicker]

One American News. Rumble. Seriously?

Just as credible (at least) as CNN, USA Today, or any of the other lying, vile mainstream media. So I'm not sure what the outrage is.

[Josh]

Rumble is just a website like YouTube. Anyone can put a video up there. It seems unreasonable to complain about it as a source; it’s like criticising MennoNet for using phpBB.

[temporal1]

https://www.foxnews.com/media/rolling-s ... tory-false
Its really hard to keep up with the spread of lies.

This is Glenn Greenwald, a well known, progressive reporter who has lately, been calling out the deceit and hypocrisy of the media.

At last.

[Valerie]

https://www.foxnews.com/media/rolling-s ... tory-false

Its really hard to keep up with the spread of lies.

Right, so why try?

Because thousands of lives could have been saved had it not been for the lies. But it was in my newsfeed, I didn't have to go looking for it

[Ken]

Regarding the Ivermectin in Oklahoma Story that you are all discussing. As far as I can tell, the following is true. Feel free to correct me if I have anything wrong.

1. The original article that other news sources referenced is still posted up on the KFOR TV New Site with no corrections or updates: https://kfor.com/news/local/patients-ov ... mbulances/ KFOR-TV is owned by NextStar Media Group, which is the largest owner of local TV stations in the country: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nexstar_Media_Group It is actually a conservative-leaning media company. But unlike it's main competitor, Sinclair News, NextStar appears to focus more on sensational news coverage to generate viewership (if it bleeds it leads) rather than overtly political coverage like Fox, Sinclair, or MSNBC so a sensational story about Ivermectin is probably right up their alley. https://www.cjr.org/special_report/nexstar-nation.php

2. If you go to the original story, the ER doctor that they originally interviewed does not actually mention any specific hospitals, he just talks generally about hospitals in Eastern and Southeastern Oklahoma which is a large area with a lot of hospitals that includes Tulsa.

3. One hospital in Oklahoma City NHS-Sequoyah in Sallislaw, OK, where this doctor apparently used to work has issued a press release saying that none of his claims of ERs crowded with Ivermectin patients is true of THEM, and that he hasn't worked there in 2 months. Even though this hospital wasn't actually named in the original article or news story. And the doctor in question works for an independent ER staffing firm that has contracts with a lot of hospitals in the region.

4. Several media outlets like Rolling Stone, which re-published the original KFOR story have issued "updates" to their original story based on the news release from NHS-Sequoyah which denied that Ivermectin overdoses were happening at THEIR hospital. Notably, however, KFOR-TV, which originally published the article, and never named NHS-Sequoyah, hasn't published any updates or corrections to their original story.

5. A bunch of conservative media outlets have been gleefully tweeting about how Rolling Stone has been "forced" to issue a correction to their original forwarded news story. When all they did was update their story to include the denial of one specific hospital what wasn't actually ever named to begin with. And by the way, Glenn Greenwald is not a liberal reporter. He was once a liberal reporter long ago but has gravitated into the Fox News orbit where he spends most of his time as a guest on Fox shows like Laura Ingram, amplifying whatever is the current scandal of the day. And he was a Trump supporter in 2020. https://www.thedailybeast.com/is-glenn- ... wing-media. His current stock in trade is to jump on tiny controversies like this and use his Fox News megaphone to amplify them and drive readership to his sites. He makes a LOT of money doing that so it is good business.

It may well be that this entire story was a deliberate distortion on behalf of the original reporter, or was fake news ginned up by the ER doctor interviewed in the story. Perhaps there is some truth to it but he exaggerated the severity of the problem. Those of us who don't live in eastern Oklahoma really have no way of knowing. It doesn't appear that any other independent news outlets have tried to fact-check the story in any way. So I really don't see what the fuss is about. Rolling Stone did exactly the right thing by "updating" their original story with the news release from one specific hospital, NHS-Sequoyah, that didn't actually indict or correct the original story, merely provided additional new information. There was actually no correction to be made since nothing in the original story was shown to be factually correct. Rolling Stone is a news magazine out of New York City. I doubt they have reporters on the ground in Oklahoma to fact-check in person.

Am I missing something? Or is this all just a tempest in a teapot?

[nett]

Regarding the Ivermectin in Oklahoma Story that you are all discussing. As far as I can tell, the following is true. Feel free to correct me if I have anything wrong.

1. The original article that other news sources referenced is still posted up on the KFOR TV New Site with no corrections or updates: https://kfor.com/news/local/patients-ov ... mbulances/ KFOR-TV is owned by NextStar Media Group, which is the largest owner of local TV stations in the country: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nexstar_Media_Group It is actually a conservative-leaning media company. But unlike it's main competitor, Sinclair News, NextStar appears to focus more on sensational news coverage to generate viewership (if it bleeds it leads) rather than overtly political coverage like Fox, Sinclair, or MSNBC so a sensational story about Ivermectin is probably right up their alley. https://www.cjr.org/special_report/nexstar-nation.php

2. If you go to the original story, the ER doctor that they originally interviewed does not actually mention any specific hospitals, he just talks generally about hospitals in Eastern and Southeastern Oklahoma which is a large area with a lot of hospitals that includes Tulsa.

3. One hospital in Oklahoma City NHS-Sequoyah in Sallislaw, OK, where this doctor apparently used to work has issued a press release saying that none of his claims of ERs crowded with Ivermectin patients is true of THEM, and that he hasn't worked there in 2 months. Even though this hospital wasn't actually named in the original article or news story. And the doctor in question works for an independent ER staffing firm that has contracts with a lot of hospitals in the region.

4. Several media outlets like Rolling Stone, which re-published the original KFOR story have issued "updates" to their original story based on the news release from NHS-Sequoyah which denied that Ivermectin overdoses were happening at THEIR hospital. Notably, however, KFOR-TV, which originally published the article, and never named NHS-Sequoyah, hasn't published any updates or corrections to their original story.

5. A bunch of conservative media outlets have been gleefully tweeting about how Rolling Stone has been "forced" to issue a correction to their original forwarded news story. When all they did was update their story to include the denial of one specific hospital what wasn't actually ever named to begin with. And by the way, Glenn Greenwald is not a liberal reporter. He was once a liberal reporter long ago but has gravitated into the Fox News orbit where he spends most of his time as a guest on Fox shows like Laura Ingram, amplifying whatever is the current scandal of the day. And he was a Trump supporter in 2020. https://www.thedailybeast.com/is-glenn- ... wing-media. His current stock in trade is to jump on tiny controversies like this and use his Fox News megaphone to amplify them and drive readership to his sites. He makes a LOT of money doing that so it is good business.

It may well be that this entire story was a deliberate distortion on behalf of the original reporter, or was fake news ginned up by the ER doctor interviewed in the story. Perhaps there is some truth to it but he exaggerated the severity of the problem. Those of us who don't live in eastern Oklahoma really have no way of knowing. It doesn't appear that any other independent news outlets have tried to fact-check the story in any way. So I really don't see what the fuss is about. Rolling Stone did exactly the right thing by "updating" their original story with the news release from one specific hospital, NHS-Sequoyah, that didn't actually indict or correct the original story, merely provided additional new information. There was actually no correction to be made since nothing in the original story was shown to be factually correct. Rolling Stone is a news magazine out of New York City. I doubt they have reporters on the ground in Oklahoma to fact-check in person.

Am I missing something? Or is this all just a tempest in a teapot?

Ken, it wasn't a distortion, it's completely made up. Ivermectin overdoses are not causing bed shortages, period.

It doesn't appear that Rolling Stone had an intention to mislead with this article. They've updated their title accurately, and they've updated their disclaimer to point out that the story doesn't add up.

The National Poison Data System states there were 459 reported cases of ivermectin overdose in the United States in August. Oklahoma-specific ivermectin overdose figures are not available, but the count is unlikely to be a significant factor in hospital bed availability in a state that, per the CDC, currently has a 7-day average of 1,528 Covid-19 hospitalizations.

[Ken]

Ken, it wasn't a distortion, it's completely made up. Ivermectin overdoses are not causing bed shortages, period.

It doesn't appear that Rolling Stone had an intention to mislead with this article. They've updated their title accurately, and they've updated their disclaimer to point out that the story doesn't add up.

The National Poison Data System states there were 459 reported cases of ivermectin overdose in the United States in August. Oklahoma-specific ivermectin overdose figures are not available, but the count is unlikely to be a significant factor in hospital bed availability in a state that, per the CDC, currently has a 7-day average of 1,528 Covid-19 hospitalizations.

I'm not arguing about whether or not the article is true. It might well have been entirely made up. Or it might well have been an exaggeration based on a handful of cases on one particular night in one particular hospital that shouldn't be generalized. None of us have no way of knowing because the media organization that published the original article doesn't appear to have done any updates or further investigation and no one else seems to have either.

My point is that this isn't some example of liberal media bias trying to undermine Ivermectin as others here have claimed. The original story was actually from a conservative-leaning media conglomerate that has so far not issued any corrections or updates. NextStar has been criticized for it's conservative tilt and staff have been leaving due to what they claim is conservative bias. And the president of the company has ties to Trump. https://variety.com/2021/tv/news/newsna ... 234926851/ In any event, whatever issues people have with this story should be directed at NextStar Media Group who published and broadcast the original story.

[nett]

Ken, it wasn't a distortion, it's completely made up. Ivermectin overdoses are not causing bed shortages, period.

It doesn't appear that Rolling Stone had an intention to mislead with this article. They've updated their title accurately, and they've updated their disclaimer to point out that the story doesn't add up.

The National Poison Data System states there were 459 reported cases of ivermectin overdose in the United States in August. Oklahoma-specific ivermectin overdose figures are not available, but the count is unlikely to be a significant factor in hospital bed availability in a state that, per the CDC, currently has a 7-day average of 1,528 Covid-19 hospitalizations.

I'm not arguing about whether or not the article is true. It might well have been entirely made up. Or it might well have been an exaggeration based on a handful of cases on one particular night in one particular hospital that shouldn't be generalized. None of us have no way of knowing because the media organization that published the original article doesn't appear to have done any updates or further investigation and no one else seems to have either.

My point is that this isn't some example of liberal media bias trying to undermine Ivermectin as others here have claimed. The original source of the story was actually from a conservative-leaning media conglomerate that has so far not issued any corrections or updates. NextStar has actually been criticized for it's conservative tilt and staff have been leaving due to what they claim is conservative bias. And the president of the company has ties to Trump. https://variety.com/2021/tv/news/newsna ... 234926851/ In any event, whatever issues people have with this story should be directed at NextStar Media Group who published and broadcast the original story.

I don't care about which way the media leans. Operation Warp Speed was kicked off under Trump, and as you know, I'm not a fan of the "Trump vaccine".

This article is a complete fabrication. It continues to be debunked as time goes on and we all know that it will be proven to be 100% false eventually,

While NHS Sequoyah administrators are defending their own hospital’s ER availability, Dr. McElyea reportedly also does work for INTEGRIS Health in Grove and McAlester Regional Health Center according to various online profiles.

When asked for comment on the situation, McAlester Regional’s media team gave a statement to KNWA/Fox24.

At this time we are not aware of any Ivermectin overdoses at our facility. Dr. McElyea is not employed with McAlester Regional Health Center.

I'm disappointed at your milquetoast response to this. If this were an anti-vax article from say RT.com that had been found to be fraudulent , you'd be quick to dismiss it with all kinds of extreme language. But because the article being true would ease your bias, you're not willing to be honest with yourself about it, and instead want to talk in vague platitudes.

We should be consistent about condemning false information even when it runs contrary to our bias.

[Ken]

This was the actual claim. I've seen two hospitals claim "no, that wasn't us" but I haven't actually seen this claim proven false:



It might very well be a complete fabrication as you say. It would not surprise me. But I haven't actually seen it debunked. The Fox News article posted upstream has the headline: "Rolling Stone forced to issue an 'update' after viral hospital ivermectin story turns out to be false" when the body of the article in no way proves the article was false. They only cite a news release from one hospital.

It would seem to me that the correct way for news media to follow-up on the story would be to actually interview the doctor in question and pin him down on specifics. And if he refuses to answer or can't provide any additional support for his claims then one can conclude that he is lying. I haven't actually seen anyone do that. But maybe I missed it.