Supreme Court and abortion

[Jess77]

So the Supreme Court yesterday decided to not intervene in the heartbeat bill Texas had instituted. What this means is that abortion is now illegal in the state of Texas from the time a heartbeat can be detected (at about 6 weeks). One step in the right direction! Now the state legislatures need to move quickly to ease the regulations and expense on adoption as I expect there will be a lot of babies born that would have previously not been. Praise God for the Supreme Court!

[temporal1]

Sept 2021 / Supreme Court leaves Texas abortion ban in place
https://www.scotusblog.com/2021/09/supr ... -in-place/

Mainstream media propagandists are reacting with the same full-on defiance+hate they unleashed on President Trump for 4+ years.
“The end justifies the means” was rewarded, so, expect more+more of the-worst-behavior.

This is a time for heartfelt prayer, and education of important human realities.

1. YES. MAKE CHOICES. Make choices BEFORE conception. Please. For your sake and everyone else’s.

2. YES. BE INFORMED+EMPOWERED. It’s the 21st Century, be informed+empowered. Act like it.

3. Understand the need for adoption, parents are longing to adopt.

viewtopic.php?f=7&t=666&p=17064#p17064

#1+2 could EASILY prevent #3, the need for mothers to consider adoption.

But adoption has been part of life throughout history, there is no indication the need+necessity will ever go away.
Examples throughout scriptures, including dear Joseph.

Pray for the time to come when, legal or not, *celebrating abortion* will no longer be thinkable, in anyone’s mind.

SAVE THE STORKS
https://savethestorks.com/


June 2021 / “Supreme Court sides with Catholic adoption agency that refuses to work with LGBT couples”
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/06/17/supreme ... uples.html

[Josh]

So the Supreme Court yesterday decided to not intervene in the heartbeat bill Texas had instituted. What this means is that abortion is now illegal in the state of Texas from the time a heartbeat can be detected (at about 6 weeks). One step in the right direction! Now the state legislatures need to move quickly to ease the regulations and expense on adoption as I expect there will be a lot of babies born that would have previously not been. Praise God for the Supreme Court!

I'm not sure I'd expect this so fast. Abortion was already fairly restricted in Texas, and it's not like it's difficult to drive across the border. And, unfortunately, I expect legal challenges and blatant disobedience to the law.

[Bootstrap]

So the Supreme Court yesterday decided to not intervene in the heartbeat bill Texas had instituted. What this means is that abortion is now illegal in the state of Texas from the time a heartbeat can be detected (at about 6 weeks). One step in the right direction! Now the state legislatures need to move quickly to ease the regulations and expense on adoption as I expect there will be a lot of babies born that would have previously not been. Praise God for the Supreme Court!

I'm not sure I'd expect this so fast. Abortion was already fairly restricted in Texas, and it's not like it's difficult to drive across the border. And, unfortunately, I expect legal challenges and blatant disobedience to the law.

This is a good time to be in prayer.

I agree with Jess that easing the regulations and expense of adoption is important. There will be more women with needs, maybe this is also an opportunity for Christians to serve those needs.

I agree with Josh that it probably won't last the way it is, but I'd be happy to be wrong. My guess is it's more likely that this becomes a test case that goes to the Supreme Court and results in a ruling that is much more restrictive than Roe v. Wade, but less restrictive than what Texas has now, e.g. outlawing abortions after 3 months or some other period.

Regardless, pray. And as things unfold, look for ways to serve.

[temporal1]

Stop voting for it.

[temporal1]

i was impressed with Alabama’s specific effort to NOT prosecute mothers:

Abortion in Alabama
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_Alabama

.. “The Alabama Human Life Protection Act", signed by Alabama Governor Kay Ivey on May 15, 2019, would consider performing an abortion as a felony.[2] However, women who receive the abortion would not be held liable.

This law would limit the conditions under which a woman could receive an abortion: a lethal anomaly or serious health risks to the mother. Other conditions in which a woman could receive an abortion is if she is not of age, ectopic pregnancy, or any medical emergency.[3] Alabama's restrictive abortion measures banned abortions from every angle.
Doctors were to be criminalized if abortion procedures were to be performed at any stage of pregnancy.[4]
Doctors performing these procedures are susceptible to prison time of up to 99 years or felony charges.[4]

The Alabama state legislature was active in trying to pass cardiogenesis or "fetal heartbeat" detection date abortion bans starting in 2014, and continuing unsuccessfully for the next few years. After the confirmation of Brett Kavanaugh to the US Supreme Court, the state legislature passed new legislation with the hope of challenging and overturning Roe v. Wade. The number of abortion clinics in Alabama has been on the decline for years, going from 45 in 1982 to three in 2019.

Despite strong government and constituent support, abortion rights activism does take place in the state. One organization involved with this is the Yellowhammer Fund. An examples of recent pro-choice activism in the state includes the #StoptheBans movement in 2019 held in Montgomery, Birmingham, Mobile, and Huntsville. Planned Parenthood is another organization involved in abortion rights activism. Planned Parenthood aimed to take legal action against the state of Alabama for depriving the option for women to have an abortion that was reaffirmed by the courts since Roe v. Wade.[4] ..

This messes with a LOT of money - the fight will be intense and dirty.
With no moral compass, there is no bottom to their pit. “The end justifies the means,” is not of Jesus Christ.

Remain in faith. God is greater.

[HondurasKeiser]

The editors of Commentary Magazine plus Matt Continetti have a very interesting and frank conversation about the history of abortion politics, its ebb and flow and shifting alliances, proponents and goalposts on their podcast today. I recommend it.

[Josh]

Adoption is neither over regulated nor over expensive.

Adoption agencies are basically a scam, on the other hand. I think there should be an Anabaptist adoption agency.

[Ken]

Whatever you think about this new law, the enforcement mechanism is problematic and will come back to haunt conservatives if it isn't thrown out as it should be. Under this law, absolutely anyone with no connection to the accused can go to court and sue for damages from anyone with any connection to an abortion.

Why is that problematic? For example, many states have an initiative and referendum process whereby voters can collect petitions, put a proposal on the ballot, and if approved by voters, it becomes law.

Imagine if animal rights activists in a state like Ohio manage to get a new animal rights farm law on the ballot with this same enforcement mechanism and it passes. They would be creating open season for any and all animal rights activists from anywhere in the country to descend on Ohio and crawl across the Ohio countryside with telephoto lenses and camera drones, looking for farmers who might have their hogs too confined, Amish dog breeders who are mistreating their dogs, chicken farmers who don't have free range chickens, etc. etc. Thousands of costly lawsuits are filed across the state and thousands of farmers are bankrupted just defending against endless lawsuits. And if they don't defend themselves they automatically loose and owe $10k plus attorney costs to any yahoo who decides to sue them. Not one Amish or Mennonite farm would be safe from lawsuit or bankruptcy.

Imagine similar enforcement mechanisms applied to worker safety violations, food safety violations in restaurants, maintenance of riparian buffer zones around farms, non-point source pollution from farms, etc. etc. etc. Environmental activists could basically wipe out the rural ag industry and do it through back-door initiative and referendum processes that bypass state legislatures and governors. And since it would all be self-enforcing by self-appointed vigilantes, there would be nothing the state could do to rein it in.

It might take a while to get there, but I don't see how the courts let this enforcement mechanism stand.

[Josh]

Whatever you think about this new law, the enforcement mechanism is problematic and will come back to haunt conservatives if it isn't thrown out as it should be. Under this law, absolutely anyone with no connection to the accused can go to court and sue for damages from anyone with any connection to an abortion.

Why is that problematic? For example, many states have an initiative and referendum process whereby voters can collect petitions, put a proposal on the ballot, and if approved by voters, it becomes law.

Imagine if animal rights activists in a state like Ohio manage to get a new animal rights farm law on the ballot with this same enforcement mechanism and it passes. They would be creating open season for any and all animal rights activists from anywhere in the country to descend on Ohio and crawl across the Ohio countryside with telephoto lenses and camera drones, looking for farmers who might have their hogs too confined, Amish dog breeders who are mistreating their dogs, chicken farmers who don't have free range chickens, etc. etc. Thousands of costly lawsuits are filed across the state and thousands of farmers are bankrupted just defending against endless lawsuits. And if they don't defend themselves they automatically loose and owe $10k plus attorney costs to any yahoo who decides to sue them. Not one Amish or Mennonite farm would be safe from lawsuit or bankruptcy.

Imagine similar enforcement mechanisms applied to worker safety violations, food safety violations in restaurants, maintenance of riparian buffer zones around farms, non-point source pollution from farms, etc. etc. etc. Environmental activists could basically wipe out the rural ag industry and do it through back-door initiative and referendum processes that bypass state legislatures and governors. And since it would all be self-enforcing by self-appointed vigilantes, there would be nothing the state could do to rein it in.

It might take a while to get there, but I don't see how the courts let this enforcement mechanism stand.

Then the courts need to let conventional enforcement mechanisms stand.