Coronavirus Outbreak

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ohio jones wrote: ↑Mon Aug 16, 2021 6:05 pm
Ken wrote: ↑Mon Aug 16, 2021 4:09 pm I expect in another week or two we'll see another wave in South Dakota as the super-spreader event known as Sturgis 2021 starts getting reflected in the data.
Let's hold off on calling it a "super-spreader event" until there's data to support that. So far it's just a "potential" super-spreader event being yapped about by those who think all large gatherings should be suspended for the foreseeable future. In a few days most of the attendees will be back home and their cases, if any, will be counted in their state of residence and not in South Dakota.
Revisiting Sturgis. A week after the rally ended, Covid cases are up 1500% and yesterday they just hit their single highest day of the entire pandemic. Their positivity rate is 124 per 100,000 which is now one of the highest counties in the nation. Hospitalizations which are a lagging indicator are up 225%. Coincidence?

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Looking at the map. That dark bruised red colored county on the west side of the state above Rapid City is Mead County, home of Sturgis, so you can see this isn't some state-wide Covid trend, it has an obvious epicenter. And will likely spread outward in a wave.

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Josh wrote: ↑Wed Aug 25, 2021 8:45 am They also left out people with Ph.D’s who are the most vaccine sceptical group.
They would be in the 80% of college grads who are vaccinated. Unless you know how to get a PhD without getting a college degree.
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Ken wrote: ↑Wed Aug 25, 2021 5:38 pm A week after the rally ended, Covid cases are up 1500% and yesterday they just hit their single highest day of the entire pandemic.
This is good news if hospitalizations and deaths do not go up. These people will have T cell immunity.
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Robert wrote: ↑Wed Aug 25, 2021 5:51 pm
Ken wrote: ↑Wed Aug 25, 2021 5:38 pm A week after the rally ended, Covid cases are up 1500% and yesterday they just hit their single highest day of the entire pandemic.
This is good news if hospitalizations and deaths do not go up. These people will have T cell immunity.
Perhaps. Those are lagging indicators so we probably need to check back in 2 more weeks to know. Also, of course there are 600,000 people potentially carrying Covid back from Sturgis to their home counties right now.
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Ken wrote: ↑Wed Aug 25, 2021 5:39 pm
Josh wrote: ↑Wed Aug 25, 2021 8:45 am They also left out people with Ph.D’s who are the most vaccine sceptical group.
They would be in the 80% of college grads who are vaccinated. Unless you know how to get a PhD without getting a college degree.
Syllogistic logic fail. :D
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Ken wrote: ↑Wed Aug 25, 2021 5:39 pm
Josh wrote: ↑Wed Aug 25, 2021 8:45 am They also left out people with Ph.D’s who are the most vaccine sceptical group.
They would be in the 80% of college grads who are vaccinated. Unless you know how to get a PhD without getting a college degree.
Huh?
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Brand new study out of Israel basically confirms what some of us already knew.

Vaccinated folks are 13x more likely to be infected, and 27 times more likely to be symptomatic than those with natural immunity, espectively.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101 ... 1.full.pdf
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Long watch but some really good points.

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nett wrote: ↑Wed Aug 25, 2021 9:54 pm Brand new study out of Israel basically confirms what some of us already knew.

Vaccinated folks are 13x more likely to be infected, and 27 times more likely to be symptomatic than those with natural immunity, espectively.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101 ... 1.full.pdf
Model 1 – previously infected vs. vaccinated individuals, with matching for time of
first event
In model 1, we matched 16,215 persons in each group. Overall, demographic
characteristics were similar between the groups, with some differences in their
comorbidity profile (Table 1a).
During the follow-up period, 257 cases of SARS-CoV-2 infection were recorded, of
which 238 occurred in the vaccinated group (breakthrough infections) and 19 in the
previously infected group (reinfections). After adjusting for comorbidities, we found a
statistically significant 13.06-fold (95% CI, 8.08 to 21.11) increased risk for
breakthrough infection as opposed to reinfection (P<0.001). Apart from age ≥60
years, there was no statistical evidence that any of the assessed comorbidities
significantly affected the risk of an infection during the follow-up period (Table 2a).
Obvious difference in vaccinated versus unvaccinated when matched by date which is skewing the data badly in the USA.
Model 3 - previously infected vs. vaccinated and previously infected individuals
In model 3, we matched 14,029 persons. Baseline characteristics of the groups are
presented in Table 1b. Examining previously infected individuals to those who were
both previously infected and received a single dose of the vaccine, we found that the
latter group had a significant 0.53-fold (95% CI, 0.3 to 0.92) (Table 4a) decreased risk
for reinfection, as 20 had a positive RT-PCR test, compared to 37 in the previously
infected and unvaccinated group. Symptomatic disease was present in 16 single dose
vaccinees and in 23 of their unvaccinated counterparts. One COVID-19-related
hospitalization occurred in the unvaccinated previously infected group. No COVID19-related mortality was recorded
Shows a gain from vaccination, but not time matched. Benefit seems small but the study was also limited by number of infections
Although the results could suggest waning natural
immunity against the Delta variant, those vaccinated are still at a 5.96-fold increased
risk for breakthrough infection and at a 7.13-fold increased risk for symptomatic
disease compared to those previously infected. SARS-CoV-2-naïve vaccinees were
also at a greater risk for COVID-19-related-hospitalization compared to those who
were previously infected.
Our study has several limitations. First, as the Delta variant was the dominant strain in
Israel during the outcome period, the decreased long-term protection of the vaccine
compared to that afforded by previous infection cannot be ascertained against other
strains. Second, our analysis addressed protection afforded solely by the
BioNTech/Pfizer mRNA BNT162b2 vaccine, and therefore does not address other
vaccines or long-term protection following a third dose, of which the deployment is
underway in Israel. Additionally, as this is an observational real-world study, where
PCR screening was not performed by protocol, we might be underestimating
asymptomatic infections, as these individuals often do not get tested.
This analysis demonstrated that natural immunity affords longer lasting and stronger
protection against infection, symptomatic disease and hospitalization due to the Delta
variant of SARS-CoV-2, compared to the BNT162b2 two-dose vaccine-induced
immunity. Notably, individuals who were previously infected with SARS-CoV-2 and
given a single dose of the BNT162b2 vaccine gained additional protection against the
Delta variant. The long-term protection provided by a third dose, recently
administered in Israel, is still unknown.
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Ken wrote: ↑Wed Aug 25, 2021 5:57 pm
Robert wrote: ↑Wed Aug 25, 2021 5:51 pm
Ken wrote: ↑Wed Aug 25, 2021 5:38 pm A week after the rally ended, Covid cases are up 1500% and yesterday they just hit their single highest day of the entire pandemic.
This is good news if hospitalizations and deaths do not go up. These people will have T cell immunity.
Perhaps. Those are lagging indicators so we probably need to check back in 2 more weeks to know. Also, of course there are 600,000 people potentially carrying Covid back from Sturgis to their home counties right now.
Latest from Sturgis: https://www.thedailybeast.com/sturgis-r ... e?ref=home
“In western South Dakota’s Meade County, more than one in three COVID-19 tests are currently returning positive, and over the last three weeks, seven-day average case counts have increased by 3,400 percent. This exponential growth in cases is likely attributable to the 81st Sturgis Motorcycle Rally, which drew an estimated half a million visitors to Meade County and its environs from Aug. 6 through 15, potentially acting as a superspreader event.”

“The state more broadly has witnessed a 686.8 percent increase in daily case counts over the past three weeks, currently more than 10 times the nationwide rate.”
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