Bootstrap wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 3:03 pm
Neto wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 2:37 pm
Bootstrap wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 1:34 pmSince we are talking about CRT, I should point out that Derrick Bell, who is often considered the founder of CRT,
agrees with you, which is why he proposes solutions like magnet schools, which offer advantages to both whites and blacks. That's what he means when he says whites will always act in their own interest and anyone seeking equity for blacks need to take that into account.
Does he really say that "...'whites' will ALWAYS act in their own interest"?!? Talk about "racially" charged rhetoric! This is simply not true. Do YOU (Boot) always act in your own interest? I should say not.
Bell was saying that whites, on the whole, will not accept policies if they think they are not in their interest. I don't think he used the word "always", that was my bad. Again, it's probably better to read the article first and respond to what he actually says.
Why do you think schools refused to integrate even when the Supreme Court said they had to? That's the question Bell was asking. His conclusion is that public policy is just not going to be adopted if the white majority thinks it is against their interests, and that you need to avoid triggering defiance in whites if you want to actually make a difference.. Here's what he actually said:
III. INTEREST-CONVERGENCE REMEDIES UNDER BROWN
Further progress to fulfill the mandate of Brown is possible to the extent that the divergence of racial interests can be avoided or minimized. Whites in policymaking positions, including those who sit on federal courts, can take no comfort in the conditions of dozens of inner-city school systems where the great majority of nonwhite children attend classes as segregated and ineffective as those so roundly condemned by Chief Justice Warren in the Brown opinion. Nor do poorer whites gain from their opposition to the improvement of educational opportunities for blacks: as noted earlier, the needs of the two groups differ little. Hence, over time, all will reap the benefits from a concerted effort towards achieving racial equality. The question still remains as to the surest way to reach the goal of educational effectiveness for both blacks and whites. I believe that the most widely used programs mandated by the courts - "antidefiance, racial balance" plans - may in some cases be inferior to plans focusing on "educational components," including the creation and development of "model" all- black schools. A short history of the use of the antidefiance strategy would be helpful at this point.
Again, we're not in the politics section. I have utterly no control over what the government, whether federal, state, or local does about the problem of profiling and other types of unfair treatment. I do not for a second deny that it happens. I experienced it myself to a small degree, when I had an afro back in the mid 70's. (Stopped and harassed by police.) But here we are in the theology section, with people arguing about government programs, judgments made by political judges, and about how the "average white" (person) feels about the unfair treatment of our fellow human beings who are not of our same "race". (Again, it ethnicity, not race.)
I think that for many people, "racism" is a result of simple ignorance. For that, I think that non-segregated schools can help, because if children have the opportunity to grow up with friends who are different then they, they will in many cases not even "see" those differences - all they see is their friend. (Now if a child is poisoned by hate toward others in the home, then it is more difficult for them to overcome it in their public exposures.)
Actual CRT isn’t taught in high schools or even on the undergrad college level. It’s usually grad-level work. 