"We all quit"

[steve-in-kville]

Always blame middle management. Always.

One thing for certain, the pandemic has exposed a lot of poor management models where employees were treated like they were disposable for far too long and now its circling back around.

[RZehr]

presently, a nearby grocer is offering $20/hour for help. the sign has been there for weeks.
what am i to make of this?

That doesn't shock me. I work in the distribution level. They've thrown so much money at new hires this year. Someone that has been on here six months makes the same as I after 10+ years.... if not more if they're good

This reality is what is really effecting the payroll of large companies. They can't simply jack up their starting wage, it's not that simple. They have to jack up the starting wages, but also deal with the ripple effect of doing so. If you've been there 10 years, they have to give you a raise as well, or risk you quitting. What I've seen, is the starting wage jumps by $1 or $2, then the people who have been there for a year or so at the rate all need $1 or $2 raise as well. Then as the ripple moves up the pays scale, the increases diminish to say $0.50 and then to no increase at the higher end. Obviously a company will have to give raises to the higher paid people eventually as well. But the company is buying time for the market to adjust, time for their competitors to absorb the expenses as well, and time for the customers to become willing to pay higher prices for the products or services. Time is necessary to make this all work. A company seldom can simply unilaterally raise its prices. If it could, it would have long ago and pocketed the extra profit. Or, if they can easily do so, then they most likely have been under pricing their product or services for a long time.

[Ken]

Always blame middle management. Always.

One thing for certain, the pandemic has exposed a lot of poor management models where employees were treated like they were disposable for far too long and now its circling back around.

In my experience, any problem with middle management in an organization is a symptom of problems at the top. Well-run organizations don't tend to have problems with middle management.

[RZehr]

Always blame middle management. Always.

One thing for certain, the pandemic has exposed a lot of poor management models where employees were treated like they were disposable for far too long and now its circling back around.

In my experience, any problem with middle management in an organization is a symptom of problems at the top. Well-run organizations don't tend to have problems with middle management.

Sure, maybe as a rule of thumb, or in organizations that have constant problems. But I disagree with the “any” framing. Obviously there are exceptions. Sometimes there actually are just poor decisions or mistakes made at the middle management level. Nor is it fair to blame middle management for “any” problems that happen under their responsibility.

[temporal1]

I'd like to think that this environment of rising wages will be a good thing for the country. I think it would be much much healthier if the top and middle of the income brackets would stay flat for a while, and the lowest brackets would increase. I would like to see the wealth gap shrink in this nation, for the health and wellbeing of this nation. But I'm skeptical that will actually happen. Now is a good time to start a business if someone is so inclined. I think this country would benefit from having a bit higher percentage of small businesses,

instead of a growing percentage working for large businesses.

large businesses, and, what about gov, or taxpayer-funded employment?

my sense is that there is huge reliance on gov employment, AND huge reliance of the private sector, large and small, on, let’s say, gov “intervention.” gov does a LOT of picking winners+losers.

years ago, in Illinois, i began getting an uneasy sense that, if gov were not involved, “it ain’t happenin’.”
Illinois never recovered from the 2008 bank failures, the pandemic landed on top of it.

government underwriting everyone everywhere, individuals to big business, is .. ?? voters love it. but??
appleman probably has some (less popular) thoughts on it. he was warning about unsustainable gov spending BEFORE 2020.

FOURTH STIMULUS CHECK
More than 2.5 million signatures request a new stimulus payment

A Change.org petition created by Stephanie Bonin, a Colorado restaurant owner, has been gaining traction since its creation last year. The petition calls on Congress “to make recurring checks automatic if certain triggers are met,” so that people will not have to wait around for the government to act.

Those recurring checks would be “$2,000 payments for adults and $1,000 payment for kids."

Bonin, who fears for her financial future along with millions of Americans, wants the stimulus checks to be made monthly until the pandemic ends. The petition has now surpassed 2.5 million signatures with a stated goal of 3 million signatures which would make it one of the top petitions on Change.org.

Read more ..
https://en.as.com/en/2021/07/14/latest_ ... 46502.html

Gov throwing TRILLIONS around will have uncharted/unchartable ripple effects.

.. and the band played on ..

[temporal1]

1. gov has and is pumping HUGE sums into the economy,
2. prices are significantly rising,
3. so. when stimulus $ ends, many will be hurting, attempting to exist without gov “extra” - AND higher COL.

i’m uneasy. i sense a gigantic shell game.

shell game
/ˈSHel ˌɡām/
noun NORTH AMERICAN
a game involving sleight of hand, in which three inverted cups or nutshells are moved about, and contestants must spot which is the one with a pea or other object underneath.

a deceptive and evasive action or ploy, especially a political one.

plural noun: shell games
"officials played a shell game by loading prisoners onto buses during population counts at the jail"

[Ken]

One thing for certain, the pandemic has exposed a lot of poor management models where employees were treated like they were disposable for far too long and now its circling back around.

In my experience, any problem with middle management in an organization is a symptom of problems at the top. Well-run organizations don't tend to have problems with middle management.

Sure, maybe as a rule of thumb, or in organizations that have constant problems. But I disagree with the “any” framing. Obviously there are exceptions. Sometimes there actually are just poor decisions or mistakes made at the middle management level. Nor is it fair to blame middle management for “any” problems that happen under their responsibility.

Point taken. How about any CHRONIC problems with middle management is usually a symptom of problems at the top. I expect every organization gets bad middle managers from time to time. But how they deal with them is the key.

[temporal1]

Boston Globe / Opinion / “The Biden administration must cancel student loan debt”
https://www.bostonglobe.com/2021/07/12/ ... loan-debt/

[Sudsy]

The way I see it is that Christians are not to judge what non-Christians do.

But if a Christian was part of this group, that quit by exposing a sin against them by a non-believing source, my view is that act would be wrong. They could privately talk to management about why they are quitting in a gentle way and 'wipe the dust off their feet' and trust the Lord for a new job. Perhaps better still would be to look for a new job while putting up with their current mis-treatment and once a new job was found make the private visit to management.

To be partners with the unsaved for personal gain, to me, is not very Anabaptist. We wrestle not with flesh and blood. Our weapons are not the same as the world uses.

[Neto]

If I understand the article correctly, the manager gave her 2 week notice, but was then fired. And she was apparently the one who had to receive medical treatment for dehydration. It sounds to me as if the employees may have (to some degree) quit in support of their manager.

The question posed in this thread seems to be about their use of the sign, not about quitting w/o a notice. But why give a notice if they already saw the example of their manager, who was (unjustly) fired after submitting a notice. The use of the sign was questionable, but under the apparent circumstances, quitting w/o the customary 2-week notice not so much.

It really strikes me as strange that a high level employee like a sales manager is not expected to submit more than a 2 week notice, like basic level employees as in fast-food service.

The other issue raised here, the widening wage range between the wealthy and the poor is something that can easily cause social unrest. Being trapped at the bottom breeds a feeling of helplessness. If this is not remedied, the US will only see more and more rebellion and violence, and then the wealthy will wish they had behaved differently. (I could refer to what happened in the Mennonite colonies in Russia, but people are getting tired of me bringing that up. So I won't. )