Ahh, the "Tolkien keen".ohio jones wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 4:03 pm Tea and High Tea are great additions, but I think we are still missing something.
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Breakfast, lunch, dinner, supper?
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MaxPC
Re: Breakfast, lunch, dinner, supper?
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PetrChelcicky
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From one of my preferred detective novels I remember that the girl says to her lover (just returning from a long travel): "I do'nt dine nowadays. I sup." I wonder if the verb "to sup" still exists.
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silentreader
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steve-in-kville
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temporal1
Re: Breakfast, lunch, dinner, supper?
ohio jones wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 4:03 pm Tea and High Tea are great additions, but I think we are still missing something.
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not knowing about this, in this last year, trying to increase exercise and improve diet, on My Fitness Pal, i created “Breakfast 1” and “Breakfast 2,” because i often wake up hungry at inconvenient times, like 3 am or so.
So, i began recording Breakfasts 1+2.
The goal for Breakfast 1 is protein without carbs, low calories. ‘cause, i’m not active, and, hopefully, go back to sleep.
this avoids blood sugar spikes, and doesn’t “steal” too many calories from the coming day. a slice of cheese. a small beef stick. a hard boiled egg. possibly, a low carb yogurt, 80 calories, 8 carbs.
i’ve done this for so long now, it feels normal.
and, it doesn’t wreck anything. like blood sugar or stealing too many calories from the day’s meager goal.
i read Neto’s posts and sigh. he doesn’t have to count calories.
So, on My Fitness Pal, i label meals thusly:
Breakfast 1
Breakfast 2
Lunch
Snack
Dinner
Meds
i don’t eat in every category everyday. the options are there. i’m not a slave to the categories or the clock.
it’s a (flexible) framework. (as Betty in Maine might approve.)
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PetrChelcicky
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I've just looked it up in Chambers's Etymological Dictionary:
"sup, sup, v.t. to take into the mouth, as a liquid.2 ºz.i. to eat the evening º : in B., º Slp i.2.A. supp'ing; fa.A. supped'. [A.S. supan; Ice. supa. Ger. saufen, to drink: from the sound.]
supper, n., that which is supped: a meal taken at the close of the day. . [Fr. souper.]
Had to correct some things because my copy-and-paste program obviously cannot handle the printing letters used by Chambers.
Supper and to sup are connected to "soup".
"sup, sup, v.t. to take into the mouth, as a liquid.2 ºz.i. to eat the evening º : in B., º Slp i.2.A. supp'ing; fa.A. supped'. [A.S. supan; Ice. supa. Ger. saufen, to drink: from the sound.]
supper, n., that which is supped: a meal taken at the close of the day. . [Fr. souper.]
Had to correct some things because my copy-and-paste program obviously cannot handle the printing letters used by Chambers.
Supper and to sup are connected to "soup".
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PetrChelcicky
Re: Breakfast, lunch, dinner, supper?
"In Peter Jackson's film adaptation of The Fellowship of the Ring, as Aragorn is leading the hobbits on a march, Pippin – hoping for a meal break – is horrified when Merry tells him that the man probably doesn't know about second breakfast. Pippin goes on to ask if he knows about the other meals commonly eaten by hobbits, including elevenses, luncheon, afternoon tea, dinner, and supper."
With first breakfast this seems to add up to seven meals, but Tolkien would probably have identified "second breakfast" with "elevenses" and knows only six meals.
Are Mennonites in some way comparable to Hobbits?
With first breakfast this seems to add up to seven meals, but Tolkien would probably have identified "second breakfast" with "elevenses" and knows only six meals.
Are Mennonites in some way comparable to Hobbits?
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temporal1
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Dinner/supper? i think it is a regional thing, maybe a family thing?
In my midwest family, we used the words mainly interchangeably, for the evening meal.
With the exception! -
Sunday dinners! or special meals, like Thanksgiving dinner or Christmas dinner - were the main meal, after church, possibly as late as midday. Maybe this implied “dinner” was a bit more formal/expansive than “supper?” Not sure. A later “meal” after these early main meals/dinners, would be called (usually nothing) no one wanted to admit needing or wanting “more” after the main meals.
“Eating again?!” the implication was more was too much!
but it often happened. a snack of some kind. like a simple half sandwich of turkey, or bowl of cereal, or other. something, but not “too much.”
We were in Central Illinois, dialects varied in Southern Illinois, and in Northern Illinois/Chicago.
Southern Illinois was/is affected by but not the same as Southern accents. Lots of local variations, everywhere.
now that eating out/restaurants are common, i believe “dinner menus” are much more common than “supper menus.”
i.e., breakfast-lunch-dinner menus. for a period, “dinner clubs” were more common than “supper clubs.” if that makes any difference. i did not belong to either.
in my world, “dinner” is the most common word. evidently not so on this forum!
my grandmother would sometimes use the word, “sup.” it seemed more poetic license than slang?? i don’t hear of it much anymore.
thusly, i think of “sup” as fairly passe’.
In my midwest family, we used the words mainly interchangeably, for the evening meal.
With the exception! -
Sunday dinners! or special meals, like Thanksgiving dinner or Christmas dinner - were the main meal, after church, possibly as late as midday. Maybe this implied “dinner” was a bit more formal/expansive than “supper?” Not sure. A later “meal” after these early main meals/dinners, would be called (usually nothing) no one wanted to admit needing or wanting “more” after the main meals.
“Eating again?!” the implication was more was too much!
We were in Central Illinois, dialects varied in Southern Illinois, and in Northern Illinois/Chicago.
Southern Illinois was/is affected by but not the same as Southern accents. Lots of local variations, everywhere.
now that eating out/restaurants are common, i believe “dinner menus” are much more common than “supper menus.”
i.e., breakfast-lunch-dinner menus. for a period, “dinner clubs” were more common than “supper clubs.” if that makes any difference. i did not belong to either.
in my world, “dinner” is the most common word. evidently not so on this forum!
my grandmother would sometimes use the word, “sup.” it seemed more poetic license than slang?? i don’t hear of it much anymore.
thusly, i think of “sup” as fairly passe’.
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temporal1
Re: Breakfast, lunch, dinner, supper?
PetrChelcicky wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 4:31 pm "In Peter Jackson's film adaptation of The Fellowship of the Ring, as Aragorn is leading the hobbits on a march, Pippin – hoping for a meal break – is horrified when Merry tells him that the man probably doesn't know about second breakfast.
Pippin goes on to ask if he knows about the other meals commonly eaten by hobbits, including elevenses, luncheon, afternoon tea, dinner, and supper."
With first breakfast this seems to add up to seven meals, but Tolkien would probably have identified "second breakfast" with "elevenses" and knows only six meals.
Are Mennonites in some way comparable to Hobbits?
for me, key to the mystery of all these “meals” is that some are very light, maybe 100 calories to maybe 300 or so.
at one point, i tried having 6 meals, 200 calories each. but that wasn’t magnificent, either.
with diabetes, feasting and/or fasting are not good choices. attempting to keep an even keel seems optimum.
my nutritionist doesn’t think feasting/fasting is optimum for anyone. when i was younger, i preferred to eat as few times daily as possible, once or twice. i still prefer it! it’s not doable anymore. Hobbits win!
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