Fauci E-mails and Honesty

[Robert]

If there are any smoking guns in Fauci's emails, I haven't seen them yet, but they would certainly be investigated. The origins of the Wuhan virus are also being investigated. That kind of truth is about facts that will be known.

I have stated my feelings about Dr Fauci and his dishonesty way before any emails came out. Newly developed facts only validate what I already identified with him.

I feel he has been dishonest as he changed many of his positions and later explained they were not science based, but situationally based. Yes, he has excuses and "good" reasons for his dishonesty, but so do politicians.

I feel no need to scan thousands of emails. Others are doing that and reporting the same behavior in them as he presented over the past year.

For me, the topic can be read Fauci emails and Fauci honesty. I see no reason why it has to be about emails and honesty.

[KirkDaniel]

If there are any smoking guns in Fauci's emails, I haven't seen them yet, but they would certainly be investigated. The origins of the Wuhan virus are also being investigated. That kind of truth is about facts that will be known.

I have stated my feelings about Dr Fauci and his dishonesty way before any emails came out. Newly developed facts only validate what I already identified with him.

I feel he has been dishonest as he changed many of his positions and later explained they were not science based, but situationally based. Yes, he has excuses and "good" reasons for his dishonesty, but so do politicians.

I feel no need to scan thousands of emails. Others are doing that and reporting the same behavior in them as he presented over the past year.

For me, the topic can be read Fauci emails and Fauci honesty. I see no reason why it has to be about emails and honesty.

Spot on! The dishonesty is apparent, and has been all along, even with Gov. Dewine in Ohio.

At first I was on board with things. I believed the hype. But then, when things did not pan out like they were predicting, rather than breathe a sigh of relief and let us go on our merry way, he changed his message to retain a stranglehold on our lives, flat out contradicting the things he had been saying up to that point.

Fauci is no better. He admitted he lied to us about masks early on in order to "preserve PPE". But then, his emails show that he wasn't lying, they didn't work as a preventative tool, and he knew it!

In a presser in Ohio recently, a top doctor with ODH made the claim that Covid is now a top 10 cause of pediatric death. When an investigative journalist reached out to ODH for source material showing this, their response was, "We have no comment."

When people are lied to by government, and those lies have catastrophic effects on their personal and spiritual well-being, it is our Christian duty to speak out and expose them.

[Bootstrap]

[For me, the topic can be read Fauci emails and Fauci honesty. I see no reason why it has to be about emails and honesty.

I think that's the approach many people took in the past, too, when I asked for evidence for their claims back then.

To me, Fauci is a scientist who tries to avoid playing politics, he said essentially the same things under the Trump and Biden administrations, and he has taken a lot of heat precisely because he did not say the things that Trump wanted him to say. It's ironic to see the people who warn about cancel culture tearing him down with generalities, promoting these narratives in social media.

And yes, this does fit into a "predefined narrative", which fits into your feelings about him.

There will be an investigation into Wuhan. If anyone discovers a real smoking gun in his email, there will be investigations into that as well. We'll see what facts emerge. Honesty and truth have a lot to do with facts.

[Bootstrap]

When people are lied to by government, and those lies have catastrophic effects on their personal and spiritual well-being, it is our Christian duty to speak out and expose them.

I wish I had your confidence that Christians actually know who is lying and who is not. I hear many liars saying precisely the kind of thing you just said. Nobody is more self-righteous than a blatant liar. Facts are a lot more knowable than the inner motivations of people we idolize or demonize. That's why I think it's important to focus on clear facts and to avoid playing social media cancel culture.

To do that, we have to slow down, take each claim and examine it, together, with people who often disagree, seeing what facts hold up. Too often, one falsehood props up another, the sheer weight of the accusations starts to mean something even if they are not true. And social media can make that worse.

[KirkDaniel]

When people are lied to by government, and those lies have catastrophic effects on their personal and spiritual well-being, it is our Christian duty to speak out and expose them.

I wish I had your confidence that Christians actually know who is lying and who is not. I hear many liars saying precisely the kind of thing you just said. That's why I think it's important to focus on clear facts and to avoid playing social media cancel culture.

To do that, we have to slow down, take each claim and examine it, together, with people who often disagree, seeing what facts hold up. Too often, one falsehood props up another, the sheer weight of the accusations starts to mean something even if they are not true. And social media can make that worse.

Boot, I don't claim to know everything. But I trusted then until they started contradicting their original statements.

[Sudsy]

So, it would seem that this Current Event thread is viewed by Anabaptists in the same way that non-believers would consider this topic. Not sure this was the original intent of what this specific forum was to be used for. If we were discussing the need for a believer to be honest in every way, that might be different. I would think a more Anabaptist perspective would be Dr. Fauci needs our prayers not our criticisms.

We are also called to bring light to darkness. Being informed of how the powers around us use and misuse their positions does not compromise our faith. It is an exercise of it. Speaking the truth in love. Speaking what is good in building up of the body.

Amen. Ephesians 5:11: have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them.

All things hidden must come to light. This affected the entire world and it could happen again and Christians need to know the right way to respond. I've said many times how I work with a public throughout this pandemic. The fear in a lot of the customers was terrible if someone got close to them they would stick their arm way out in front of him like back off I've never seen such fear in all my life because people were looking at each other as walking death threats to one another while they shopped. I saw verbal fight attacks between people before Mass were required, I saw people chew each other out. Getting to the source of this and finding out all the facts on this is essential and being a Christian doesn't mean we bury our head in the sand

Here is how I see it and I'm open to consider your view of these kind of threads.

First, that text Eph 5:11 is about sins amongst believers in a church. We are not to 'bury our head in the sand' rather we are to deal with sin in the church in a uncompromising and loving way. As Gal 5:9 puts it, 'a little leven leveneth the whole lump'. In 1 Cor 5:12,13 we read 'What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? 13 God will judge those outside.' So, this tells me that whatever unsaved people are doing is none of my business. They are sinners and will in various ways do what unregenerate people do, they sin as they do not have a reborn spirit.

Our mission to the unsaved should be an attitude of 'but for the grave of God, there go I'. I believe our response as Christians is to 'speak the truth in love' and that truth is that Jesus came to save us from our sins. He is the Truth, the Life, the Way.

Imo, even arguing over what is true and what is not regarding a sinner's sinning is futile and most often, as can be seen here, causes arguments amongst believers. We know we all have sinned but for the believer we have been given the enabling power of the Holy Spirit to overcome our sins. This is our internal war of the flesh versus the spirit and can live victorious lives if we walk in the Spirit. We are not at war with the unsaved. They are doing what comes natural to them.

I believe our way to respond to pandemics, wars, disasters of all kinds, etc is the same as it always has been for a believer. Let the light of God shine through us in good deeds and the fruit of the Spirit. Allow the Spirit to rule in our lives that shows the current events of this life doesn't rattle us and we have peace and joy as we live in a Kingdom way of life. I often fall short of this belief as I war with my flesh, yet this is my conviction and as Max would put it YMMV.

Bringing light to darkness reminds me of this old song the Back to the Bible Quartet used to sing. The chorus goes like this -

What you are speaks so loud
That the world can't hear what you say
They're looking at your walk
Not listening to your talk
They're judging by your actions every day
Don't believe you'll deceive
By claiming what you've never known
They'll accept what they see
They know you to be
They'll judge from your life alone.

A lot of truth to consider here. When an unsaved person logs unto this forum, what are they seeing ? Or does that matter ?

[ohio jones]

Sudsy, I appreciate almost all of that post, especially the part about our response. But there is one line that I have a grave disagreement with.

[Sudsy]

Sudsy, I appreciate almost all of that post, especially the part about our response. But there is one line that I have a grave disagreement with.

I take it the word 'grave' has some intent in your disagreement ? I enjoy the way you add some fun with a play on words but if not, I would still love to read that disagreement.

[ohio jones]

Sudsy, I appreciate almost all of that post, especially the part about our response. But there is one line that I have a grave disagreement with.

I take it the word 'grave' has some intent in your disagreement ? I enjoy the way you add some fun with a play on words but if not, I would still love to read that disagreement.

I should learn to have more grace toward typos, but some of them are just irresistible (or maybe I was predestined to comment on them). Read your third paragraph again.

[Sudsy]

Sudsy, I appreciate almost all of that post, especially the part about our response. But there is one line that I have a grave disagreement with.

I take it the word 'grave' has some intent in your disagreement ? I enjoy the way you add some fun with a play on words but if not, I would still love to read that disagreement.

I should learn to have more grace toward typos, but some of them are just irresistible (or maybe I was predestined to comment on them). Read your third paragraph again.

I often find what I wrote, on looking at it again, was worded in a way that can be mis-leading to the point I was trying to make. And of course, there are those dangling participles, etc. Believe it or not the only 100% I ever received in school was in English Grammar. Weird eh ? (as we Canucks put it).