Do Anabaptists "own" the women's headcovering?

Christian ethics and theology with an Anabaptist perspective
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Josh

Re: Do Anabaptists "own" the women's headcovering?

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Valerie wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 6:39 am
Josh wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 2:25 pm
temporal1 wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 2:20 pm Please correct if I’m mistaken, I don’t believe Muslims and some others who cover are following Biblical directives.
It comes from the exact same source of such traditions, though.
Another question, without covering distinctive established by belief groups, wouldn’t this open the path to “any hat” or scarf to be used, as happened in many Christian demons, including Catholic, that led to no covering?
This is exactly what some people say. I don't agree with this, as I don't think stiff traditions are really effective in the long run against something nobody wants to do anyway.

It is notable that when a group that allows its members to wear whatever covering they wish finally abandons requiring a covering at all, nearly all of the young women immediately cease to do so. Why this is the case is a good topic for more study, but it should be paired alongside why allowing a "personal conviction" to prevail in matters of nonresistance seems to result in 90% of young men packing heat, with the attendant 10% getting involved in liberal politics and agitating for gun control. One can presume they were all better off united in agreeing not to shoot people regardless of "personal convictions".
This didn't happen at Wayne Weaver's Church in sugarcreek, Oasis Tabernacle. The women there where scarves to cover their heads of all types it seems they were taught the understanding without being forced into uniform covering. They also dress modestly but not in uniform fashion. So I think they are a good example of having the understanding of both modesty and head covering and practicing it without uniformity
Your perception of Oasis and mine are different (granted, much of my information comes from my barber, whose daughter in law goes to Oasis). Generally speaking that group is moving away rather rapidly from conservative Anabaptist values and lifestyle.
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MaxPC

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Ernie wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 1:33 pm
MaxPC wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 8:30 am From my experiences, those who lean to the traditional interpretations of the Bible and the Greek translations will pursue headcoverings. I've seen a lot of headcoverings in my lifetime, from simple to complex. Before the Anabaptists there were the religious sisters. Their coverings reflect the styles worn in the nation or culture where each order originated.
Are any of the differences in styles due to schisms within the Orders, or do they all reflect a regional or hierarchical guided distinction?

Earlier in this thread it was noted that Anabaptist distinctions can often be traced to schisms.
Ernie, most of those I have seen reflect regional cultures as well as the mission of the institute to which the Sisters belong.

A good example: the Daughters of Charity. They originated in France and their distinctive coronet headcoverings and dresses were originally worn by French peasant women which also reminds them of their vows of poverty.

Those Sisters no longer wear the coronet because of its upkeep and impractical aspect in today's doorways but below is a good photo of the coronet from the back and clearly indicates why the Muslims and other groups often called these generous Sisters the Doves of Christ or the Doves of God.
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MaxPC

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MaxPC wrote: ↑Sat May 29, 2021 9:29 am
Ernie wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 1:33 pm
MaxPC wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 8:30 am From my experiences, those who lean to the traditional interpretations of the Bible and the Greek translations will pursue headcoverings. I've seen a lot of headcoverings in my lifetime, from simple to complex. Before the Anabaptists there were the religious sisters. Their coverings reflect the styles worn in the nation or culture where each order originated.
Are any of the differences in styles due to schisms within the Orders, or do they all reflect a regional or hierarchical guided distinction?

Earlier in this thread it was noted that Anabaptist distinctions can often be traced to schisms.
Ernie, most of those I have seen reflect regional cultures as well as the mission of the institute to which the Sisters belong.

A good example: the Daughters of Charity. They originated in France and their distinctive coronet headcoverings and dresses were originally worn by French peasant women which also reminds them of their vows of poverty.

Those Sisters no longer wear the coronet because of its upkeep and impractical aspect in today's doorways but below is a good photo of the coronet from the back and clearly indicates why the Muslims and other groups often called these generous Sisters the Doves of Christ or the Doves of God.
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A few more photos of the famous coronet:
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steve-in-kville

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Would anyone know the history behind the use of mesh material for headcoverings?
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JimFoxvog

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steve-in-kville wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 6:55 am Would anyone know the history behind the use of mesh material for headcoverings?
I always assumed it was cooler in hot weather.
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steve-in-kville

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That was one theory I had. I didn't know there were various densities of mesh, either.

On the same theme, the groups that still utilize the black bonnets over the covering, is that practical or just tradition?
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Ernie

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I don't know why mesh started being used. Younger women started doing it first. It seemed to be a fad that sort of stuck.

Outer bonnets kept a woman's head and ears warm and kept them from getting sunburn as much. (They still do today among Old Orders)
Conservatives who still practice this get very little physical benefit as they are too small to do much good. They have invented reasons like, "it protects the sacredness of the covering when out in public", etc.

Interestingly, bonnets became a fashion item in the 1800's. Because of this, there are some Amish groups that forbid bonnets and only allow straw hats and scarves for women like the practice was in Europe. (can't find a picture right now) Some Old Colony Mennonites do the same.
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Wayne in Maine

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steve-in-kville wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 6:55 am Would anyone know the history behind the use of mesh material for headcoverings?
The mesh covering (or its predecessor cap) was originally worn under a veil. Some Hutterite women still wear a cap under their veil

Yes, I hear what you are thinking “So Mennonite women wear their underwear on their heads!”
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steve-in-kville

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Wayne in Maine wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 2:12 pm
Yes, I hear what you are thinking “So Mennonite women wear their underwear on their heads!”
Thanks fort that mental image 8-)
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temporal1

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ok.ok. :roll:
if a sweater or coat is added for warmth or protection, that does not mean the person was not properly dressed before. :)
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