Valerie wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 6:05 pm
He was nominated for Nobel Peace Prize exactly because pf lives saved-
If there was a valid nomination for the Peace Prize, I don't think we can verify it for 50 years, the secrecy period. Did a qualified nominator say they had nominated him? Or is this some social media thing?
Can you show me anything from the Nobel Committee that indicates they believe he saved lives and should be considered for a Nobel Peace Prize?
I was curious so I looked it up. He wasn't nominated individually. He was in a group of 50 or so doctors who were nominated as a group. There are literally hundreds of individuals and hundreds of groups who get nominated every year. It doesn't mean much. Many academics, diplomats and high ranking government officials can make nominations.
The Nobel Committee has nothing to do with nominations.
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Valerie wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 7:42 pm
I agree. But not this man. He deserves the recognition of his work, but he gives glory to Vod for putting it in his mind
Valerie wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 6:05 pm
He was nominated for Nobel Peace Prize exactly because pf lives saved-
If there was a valid nomination for the Peace Prize, I don't think we can verify it for 50 years, the secrecy period. Did a qualified nominator say they had nominated him? Or is this some social media thing?
Can you show me anything from the Nobel Committee that indicates they believe he saved lives and should be considered for a Nobel Peace Prize?
I was curious so I looked it up. He wasn't nominated individually. He was in a group of 50 or so doctors who were nominated as a group. There are literally hundreds of individuals and hundreds of groups who get nominated every year. It doesn't mean much. Many academics, diplomats and high ranking government officials can make nominations.
The Nobel Committee has nothing to do with nominations.
Did you watch the entire video? Seems you and Boor have a problem with doctors who were successful in treating covid patients, preventing them from hospitalization, preventing them from death. Yes there are a lot of doctors who were silenced and censored who are now gaining attention for their success but it's a little too late for a lot of people
Valerie wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 7:41 am
Did you watch the entire video? Seems you and Boor have a problem with doctors who were successful in treating covid patients, preventing them from hospitalization, preventing them from death.
No, I have a problem with doctors who make wild claims on Youtube but cannot back them with evidence. So did the Orthodox Jewish community that Zelenko was part of, that's why they threw him out. I have problems with the political polarization of everything. I have problems with dethroning evidence in favor of emotion.
The strength of your emotion is not scientific evidence. Medicine has standards for evidence, rules for how clinical trials are done. Youtube does not.
Valerie wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 7:41 am
Yes there are a lot of doctors who were silenced and censored who are now gaining attention for their success but it's a little too late for a lot of people
Silenced? Not hardly. They have gotten a lot of air time in certain political circles. But the medical community relies on the evidence.
Silenced? Not hardly. They have gotten a lot of air time in certain political circles. But the medical community relies on the evidence.
This is rapidly becoming not the case. Instead of relying on evidence, evidence is filtered out to only things that support presupposed claims.
Hence mainstream medicine in 2019 held the position that “masks don’t prevent spread of the flu”, in February 2020 held the position of “you should not wear a mask to prevent the spread of COVID-19”, and in May of 2021 now “You should wear masks even after getting a COVID-19 vaccine”.
Silenced? Not hardly. They have gotten a lot of air time in certain political circles. But the medical community relies on the evidence.
This is rapidly becoming not the case. Instead of relying on evidence, evidence is filtered out to only things that support presupposed claims.
On Youtube and in certain political sources, yes. Zelenko's claims are not backed by evidence. Some people keep channeling political outrage instead of showing clinical trials that demonstrate his treatment works, then claim the medical evidence people are just playing political games. Evidence is evidence. Political outrage and zippy one-liners are not.
Providing the evidence is the way to stop playing political games with these issues.
This is Page 3 on this thread. Is anyone going to point to clinical trials, provide anything like evidence that medical researchers would accept, etc? What is the medical evidence?
Silenced? Not hardly. They have gotten a lot of air time in certain political circles. But the medical community relies on the evidence.
This is rapidly becoming not the case. Instead of relying on evidence, evidence is filtered out to only things that support presupposed claims.
On Youtube and in certain political sources, yes. Zelenko's claims are not backed by evidence. Some people keep channeling political outrage instead of showing clinical trials that demonstrate his treatment works, then claim the medical evidence people are just playing political games. Evidence is evidence. Political outrage and zippy one-liners are not.
Providing the evidence is the way to stop playing political games with these issues.
This is Page 3 on this thread. Is anyone going to point to clinical trials, provide anything like evidence that medical researchers would accept, etc? What is the medical evidence?
I don’t find this particular guy’s statements credible, and those pushing him are just giving in to their own confirmation bias.
My point is that so does everybody else. But since you want data, it’s worth looking at data. Are you open to data that doesn’t agree with the mainstream consensus?
I do believe there is reason to be righteously angry at how many segments of the government have responded to this pandemic. But this pandemic is real. Pseudo-science will not resurrect the people who did not have to dies of this disease if people had behaved responsibly and not bought into Satan's lies (Yes, I said it - this is nothing but witchcraft and worldly, satanic lies!)
Covid is a real disease that really kills people. Mose Stoltzfoos, who is famous as one of the founders of the Charity movement, died of this disease. Given my undiagnosed "co-morbidity" condition back in January I might be dead now if I had attended the "Anabaptist Identity Conference" where hoaxes such as Valerie is peddling were the response of the assembled "ethnic Anabaptists" and their conspiracy-minded associates. Instead of consideration for their neighbors, known and unknown, who were vulnerable to this diseases they only cared about themselves and their "freedom". Unknown to them, a lot of Mennonites have contributed to these deaths, like their labors did in in factories producing war materials contributed to the deaths of German and Japanese soldiers and civilians on the second great war.
I thank God for the opportunity to see who are the sheep and who are the goats in the response of "Christians" to this deadly pandemic.
Wayne in Maine wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 3:14 pm
I do believe there is reason to be righteously angry at how many segments of the government have responded to this pandemic. But this pandemic is real. Pseudo-science will not resurrect the people who did not have to dies of this disease if people had behaved responsibly and not bought into Satan's lies (Yes, I said it - this is nothing but witchcraft and worldly, satanic lies!)
Covid is a real disease that really kills people. Mose Stoltzfoos, who is famous as one of the founders of the Charity movement, died of this disease. Given my undiagnosed "co-morbidity" condition back in January I might be dead now if I had attended the "Anabaptist Identity Conference" where hoaxes such as Valerie is peddling were the response of the assembled "ethnic Anabaptists" and their conspiracy-minded associates. Instead of consideration for their neighbors, known and unknown, who were vulnerable to this diseases they only cared about themselves and their "freedom". Unknown to them, a lot of Mennonites have contributed to these deaths, like their labors did in in factories producing war materials contributed to the deaths of German and Japanese soldiers and civilians on the second great war.
I thank God for the opportunity to see who are the sheep and who are the goats in the response of "Christians" to this deadly pandemic.
I also know people who have died from COVID. We're in the middle of an outbreak and increasing numbers in my community. It's extremely frustrating to see people downplay the seriousness of COVID, ignore public health restrictions and peddle pseudo-science and conspiracy theories.
