Szdfan wrote: ↑Wed May 05, 2021 8:15 am
Infrastructure has to be paid for somehow. When there’s not enough money to pay for roads and schools, rural communities suffer.
Josh wrote: ↑Wed May 05, 2021 10:14 am
On the employment side, in case you haven’t noticed, pretty much all tech and finance employment has gone entirely remote.
The "information superhighway" is a critical component of rural infrastructure, perhaps nearly equal in importance to physical roads.
The “information superhighway” has been primarily built with private funds, not public, although we have had plenty of government funded boondoggles, such as billions given to Frontier to install 1.5Mbit/sec DSL to rural areas.
Overall, rural communities have schools equal to or better than urban ones (rural schools don’t have metal detectors like the urban ones near me so, nor do they need armed guards monitoring the classrooms).
The "information superhighway" is a critical component of rural infrastructure, perhaps nearly equal in importance to physical roads.
When everyone travels by drone, and everything is delivered by drones, we can save a lot of money by abandoning roads, bridges, traffic lights, signs, overpasses, etc.
You going to ship your agricultural products to market via drone?
Agricultural products should be grown and consumed locally.
A number of years ago, I regularly stayed with a “hippie” sort of family in eastern Cleveland. They gardened in the abandoned land next door to them and regularly shared that land’s bounty with me. They were working on setting up aquaculture with talapia. I was impressed with what they did with a city lot that was otherwise so worthless, nobody had bid on it in years despite a decade of delinquent taxes from the long-gone former owner.
Josh wrote: ↑Wed May 05, 2021 3:26 pm
The “information superhighway” has been primarily built with private funds, not public, although we have had plenty of government funded boondoggles, such as billions given to Frontier to install 1.5Mbit/sec DSL to rural areas.
Much like the railroads that began the thread.
And perhaps part of the quote from the OP is somewhat parallel to the shift from an economy based on the production of goods and services to one primarily involving the transport of electrons.
In the eyes of opponents, where canals and railroads cut a swath through the countryside, they seemed to decimate local communities and turn once healthy, independent farmers into washed-out wage laborers. A New York editor invited readers to gaze on the “sallow complexions, emaciated forms, and stooping shoulders” of mill workers and consider what a “crime against society” it was to “divert human industry from the fields and the forests to the iron forges and cotton factories.”
Josh wrote: ↑Wed May 05, 2021 3:26 pm
The “information superhighway” has been primarily built with private funds, not public, although we have had plenty of government funded boondoggles, such as billions given to Frontier to install 1.5Mbit/sec DSL to rural areas.
Much like the railroads that began the thread.
And perhaps part of the quote from the OP is somewhat parallel to the shift from an economy based on the production of goods and services to one primarily involving the transport of electrons.
In the eyes of opponents, where canals and railroads cut a swath through the countryside, they seemed to decimate local communities and turn once healthy, independent farmers into washed-out wage laborers.
A New York editor invited readers to gaze on the “sallow complexions, emaciated forms, and stooping shoulders” of mill workers and consider what a “crime against society” it was to “divert human industry from the fields and the forests to the iron forges and cotton factories.”
Years ago, you pointed out a comparison of the Roman roads with the internet, regarding sweeping changes.
Good analogy. It’s hard to imagine life before the Roman roads.
HK’s description of folks he knows and ministers to paints another picture of the same (old) story.
Everything has a price. Everything changes everything.
RZehr wrote: ↑Wed May 05, 2021 2:09 pm
When everyone travels by drone, and everything is delivered by drones, we can save a lot of money by abandoning roads, bridges, traffic lights, signs, overpasses, etc.
You going to ship your agricultural products to market via drone?
Agricultural products should be grown and consumed locally.
Wow Josh, you sure have a lot of rules about how rural folks should conduct their business.
If you want agriculture to be local then I guess we will need to give most of Kansas and Nebraska back to the bison. Because there won’t be any sustainable localized agriculture out there on those empty plains.
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A fool can throw out more questions than a wise man can answer. -RZehr
You going to ship your agricultural products to market via drone?
Agricultural products should be grown and consumed locally.
Wow Josh, you sure have a lot of rules about how rural folks should conduct their business.
If you want agriculture to be local then I guess we will need to give most of Kansas and Nebraska back to the bison. Because there won’t be any sustainable localized agriculture out there on those empty plains.
That was my reaction too. Agriculture is the lifeblood of my community. You kill that, we’re done.
Josh wrote: ↑Wed May 05, 2021 3:26 pm
The “information superhighway” has been primarily built with private funds, not public, although we have had plenty of government funded boondoggles, such as billions given to Frontier to install 1.5Mbit/sec DSL to rural areas.
Much like the railroads that began the thread.
And perhaps part of the quote from the OP is somewhat parallel to the shift from an economy based on the production of goods and services to one primarily involving the transport of electrons.
In the eyes of opponents, where canals and railroads cut a swath through the countryside, they seemed to decimate local communities and turn once healthy, independent farmers into washed-out wage laborers. A New York editor invited readers to gaze on the “sallow complexions, emaciated forms, and stooping shoulders” of mill workers and consider what a “crime against society” it was to “divert human industry from the fields and the forests to the iron forges and cotton factories.”
I think this is an insightful connection to make. There are parallels.
You going to ship your agricultural products to market via drone?
Agricultural products should be grown and consumed locally.
Wow Josh, you sure have a lot of rules about how rural folks should conduct their business.
If you want agriculture to be local then I guess we will need to give most of Kansas and Nebraska back to the bison. Because there won’t be any sustainable localized agriculture out there on those empty plains.
Pumping aquifers beneath Kansas dry in order to grow hay is indeed not sustainable, and yes, the bison should come back. America got rid of the bison in order to win its wars against the Native Americans.
Agricultural products should be grown and consumed locally.
Wow Josh, you sure have a lot of rules about how rural folks should conduct their business.
If you want agriculture to be local then I guess we will need to give most of Kansas and Nebraska back to the bison. Because there won’t be any sustainable localized agriculture out there on those empty plains.
That was my reaction too. Agriculture is the lifeblood of my community. You kill that, we’re done.
Yet there won’t be any lifeblood left without a migration to more sustainable practices; pumping aquifers dry and relying on fossil fuels for farming isn’t going to work forever, and the sooner we correct this, the better.
Wow Josh, you sure have a lot of rules about how rural folks should conduct their business.
If you want agriculture to be local then I guess we will need to give most of Kansas and Nebraska back to the bison. Because there won’t be any sustainable localized agriculture out there on those empty plains.
That was my reaction too. Agriculture is the lifeblood of my community. You kill that, we’re done.
Yet there won’t be any lifeblood left without a migration to more sustainable practices; pumping aquifers dry and relying on fossil fuels for farming isn’t going to work forever, and the sooner we correct this, the better.
When I told my wife about what you were saying, she compared you to AOC. You’re basically the same thing as the people you are criticizing — a city slicker who doesn’t know anything about agriculture or rural life who thinks he can tell rural folk how to live to the point that they should abandon their homes and move elsewhere. Who says irony is dead?
