Coronavirus Outbreak

[Soloist]

One of the customers where I work told me she had a worse reaction to the shot then she did when she actually had covid itself. They must not be discouraging people that already had covid from getting the shot. There's been a lot of cases of covid for people that did get the shot so I don't think you're out of the woods just because you got the shot, although for most people it's like getting the flu if that (covid, that is).
I know people will think I'm more of a threat in society because I won't get the vaccine. But I've been an essential worker throughout this more than year, scanning a good thousand customers a week on my job exposed too many at work that ended up getting covid, I even prayed over a co-worker who was crying cuz she didn't know what was wrong with her because her blood pressure was so low, and it turned out she had covid and I was praying over her! It does not mean that God won't allow me to eventually catch it I'm not sure it's just hard to feel like a walking death threat to people when apparently haven't been for over a year

On the flip side, my coworker didn't have any side effects from the vaccine, but did get put under for a few weeks from covid.

Then we have articles like this https://www.kentucky.com/news/coronavir ... 62594.html That threaten to paint anyone not getting it as a danger.

An unvaccinated health care worker brought COVID-19 into an Eastern Kentucky nursing home, propagating an outbreak that infected dozens of vaccinated and unvaccinated residents last month, a new study confirms.

Gov. Andy Beshear and Kentucky Public Health Commissioner Steven Stack first announced the outbreak in March, which ultimately infected 26 residents, 20 staff and killed three people, including one resident who was fully vaccinated and two who were not.

[Valerie]

One of the customers where I work told me she had a worse reaction to the shot then she did when she actually had covid itself. They must not be discouraging people that already had covid from getting the shot. There's been a lot of cases of covid for people that did get the shot so I don't think you're out of the woods just because you got the shot, although for most people it's like getting the flu if that (covid, that is).
I know people will think I'm more of a threat in society because I won't get the vaccine. But I've been an essential worker throughout this more than year, scanning a good thousand customers a week on my job exposed too many at work that ended up getting covid, I even prayed over a co-worker who was crying cuz she didn't know what was wrong with her because her blood pressure was so low, and it turned out she had covid and I was praying over her! It does not mean that God won't allow me to eventually catch it I'm not sure it's just hard to feel like a walking death threat to people when apparently haven't been for over a year

On the flip side, my coworker didn't have any side effects from the vaccine, but did get put under for a few weeks from covid.

Then we have articles like this https://www.kentucky.com/news/coronavir ... 62594.html That threaten to paint anyone not getting it as a danger.

An unvaccinated health care worker brought COVID-19 into an Eastern Kentucky nursing home, propagating an outbreak that infected dozens of vaccinated and unvaccinated residents last month, a new study confirms.

Gov. Andy Beshear and Kentucky Public Health Commissioner Steven Stack first announced the outbreak in March, which ultimately infected 26 residents, 20 staff and killed three people, including one resident who was fully vaccinated and two who were not.

That is really sad that happened. I assume the healthcare worker was masked. So mask didn't work? Apparently vaccine didn't work either!? Gods appointed time? My mother in law passed away in nursing home February- having not been able to have family members visit her and be with her most of her last year of life. She did not get covid but she did die. The flu and pneumonia are also killers in nursing homes these things happen

[ken_sylvania]

One of the customers where I work told me she had a worse reaction to the shot then she did when she actually had covid itself. They must not be discouraging people that already had covid from getting the shot. There's been a lot of cases of covid for people that did get the shot so I don't think you're out of the woods just because you got the shot, although for most people it's like getting the flu if that (covid, that is).
I know people will think I'm more of a threat in society because I won't get the vaccine. But I've been an essential worker throughout this more than year, scanning a good thousand customers a week on my job exposed too many at work that ended up getting covid, I even prayed over a co-worker who was crying cuz she didn't know what was wrong with her because her blood pressure was so low, and it turned out she had covid and I was praying over her! It does not mean that God won't allow me to eventually catch it I'm not sure it's just hard to feel like a walking death threat to people when apparently haven't been for over a year

On the flip side, my coworker didn't have any side effects from the vaccine, but did get put under for a few weeks from covid.

Then we have articles like this https://www.kentucky.com/news/coronavir ... 62594.html That threaten to paint anyone not getting it as a danger.

An unvaccinated health care worker brought COVID-19 into an Eastern Kentucky nursing home, propagating an outbreak that infected dozens of vaccinated and unvaccinated residents last month, a new study confirms.

Gov. Andy Beshear and Kentucky Public Health Commissioner Steven Stack first announced the outbreak in March, which ultimately infected 26 residents, 20 staff and killed three people, including one resident who was fully vaccinated and two who were not.

That is really sad that happened. I assume the healthcare worker was masked. So mask didn't work? Apparently vaccine didn't work either!? Gods appointed time? My mother in law passed away in nursing home February- having not been able to have family members visit her and be with her most of her last year of life. She did not get covid but she did die. The flu and pneumonia are also killers in nursing homes these things happen

Did you even read the article?
Only one of the 75 fully vaccinated residents died, compared with two of the 8 residents who weren't fully vaccinated.
Two of the 75 vaccinated residents were hospitalized, as well as two of the 8 residents who weren't fully vaccinated.
All 8 of the un-vaccinated residents got COVID, compared with only 18 of the 75 fully vaccinated residents.

And you claim the vaccine didn't work???? Do you really think that many of the vaccinated residents were also drinking silver water?

[Soloist]

Did you even read the article?
Only one of the 75 fully vaccinated residents died, compared with two of the 8 residents who weren't fully vaccinated.
Two of the 75 vaccinated residents were hospitalized, as well as two of the 8 residents who weren't fully vaccinated.
All 8 of the un-vaccinated residents got COVID, compared with only 18 of the 75 fully vaccinated residents.

And you claim the vaccine didn't work???? Do you really think that many of the vaccinated residents were also drinking silver water?

I honestly would have liked more details on the timing of the vaccinations... How close they were post second vaccine to coming down with covid. I've heard scant details here and there about the effectiveness with elderly being lowered but haven't seen anything actually of substance. Also... was the staffer actually compliant with masking? were they using N-95s? For all I know... they weren't even wearing masks anymore

[Ken]

Did you even read the article?
Only one of the 75 fully vaccinated residents died, compared with two of the 8 residents who weren't fully vaccinated.
Two of the 75 vaccinated residents were hospitalized, as well as two of the 8 residents who weren't fully vaccinated.
All 8 of the un-vaccinated residents got COVID, compared with only 18 of the 75 fully vaccinated residents.

And you claim the vaccine didn't work???? Do you really think that many of the vaccinated residents were also drinking silver water?

I honestly would have liked more details on the timing of the vaccinations... How close they were post second vaccine to coming down with covid. I've heard scant details here and there about the effectiveness with elderly being lowered but haven't seen anything actually of substance. Also... was the staffer actually compliant with masking? were they using N-95s? For all I know... they weren't even wearing masks anymore

Exactly. One-off anecdotal examples don't really tell us that much. Especially when we have such large volumes of other data.

We can do the math: Out of over 75 million Americans who have been fully vaccinated, 5,814 have subsequently tested positive for Covid, 396 got sick enough to be hospitalized, and 74 died but 9 of those deaths were not linked to Covid so only 65 were identified as Covid-caused.

5,814 divided by 75,000,000 = 0.007752% of vaccinated people caught Covid, or the vaccine was 99.9922% effective in preventing Covid.
65 deaths divided by 75,000,000 = a 0.00008667% death rate for vaccinated individuals, or the vaccine is 99.999913% effective in preventing death.

Those are actually astonishingly good numbers for any vaccine of any kind. You are almost at as much risk of dying due to lightning (42 deaths per year in the US) as you are are of dying of Covid after being fully vaccinated.

Here is the source data from last week: https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/h ... cases.html

* As of April 13, 2021, more than 75 million people in the United States had been fully vaccinated against COVID-19 since December 14, 2020.

* During the same time, CDC received 5,814 reports of vaccine breakthrough infections from 43 U.S. states and territories.

Vaccine breakthrough infections were reported among people of all ages eligible for vaccination.
* 2,622 (45%) of the reported infections were among people ≥60 years of age.
* 3,752 (65%) of the people experiencing a breakthrough infection were female.
* 1,695 (29%) of the vaccine breakthrough infections were reported as asymptomatic.
* 396 (7%) people with breakthrough infections were known to be hospitalized and 74 (1%) died.
* Of the 396 hospitalized patients, 133 (34%) were reported as asymptomatic or hospitalized for a reason not related to COVID-19.
* Of the 74 fatal cases, 9 (12%) were reported as asymptomatic or the patient died due to a cause not related to COVID-19.
* Hospitalizations and deaths that are not a direct result of COVID-19 are still considered vaccine breakthrough cases if the person was fully vaccinated and subsequently tested positive for COVID-19.

[Szdfan]

It’s been two weeks since I received my second shot. Now I can go back to licking doorknobs with confidence.

Just out of curiosity, what are the reasons you got vaccinated given you already had COVID?

It’s recommended to get the Covid vaccine even if you have had it. While repeat cases of Covid are rare, they tend to be more severe the second time around and from what I understand, there are still questions and unknowns about how long immunity lasts. I figure it’s better to be safe than sorry. Covid is not an experience I want to repeat.

[Soloist]

Exactly. One-off anecdotal examples don't really tell us that much. Especially when we have such large volumes of other data.

We can do the math: Out of over 75 million Americans who have been fully vaccinated, 5,814 have subsequently tested positive for Covid, 396 got sick enough to be hospitalized, and 74 died but 9 of those deaths were not linked to Covid so only 65 were identified as Covid-caused.

5,814 divided by 75,000,000 = 0.007752% of vaccinated people caught covid, or the vaccine was 99.9922% effective
65 deaths divided by 75,000,000 = a 0.00008667% death rate for vaccinated individuals, or the vaccine is 99.999913% effective in preventing death.

Those are actually astonishingly good numbers for any vaccine of any kind.

Here is the source data from last week: https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/h ... cases.html

* As of April 13, 2021, more than 75 million people in the United States had been fully vaccinated against COVID-19 since December 14, 2020.

* During the same time, CDC received 5,814 reports of vaccine breakthrough infections from 43 U.S. states and territories.

Vaccine breakthrough infections were reported among people of all ages eligible for vaccination.
* 2,622 (45%) of the reported infections were among people ≥60 years of age.
* 3,752 (65%) of the people experiencing a breakthrough infection were female.
* 1,695 (29%) of the vaccine breakthrough infections were reported as asymptomatic.
* 396 (7%) people with breakthrough infections were known to be hospitalized and 74 (1%) died.
* Of the 396 hospitalized patients, 133 (34%) were reported as asymptomatic or hospitalized for a reason not related to COVID-19.
* Of the 74 fatal cases, 9 (12%) were reported as asymptomatic or the patient died due to a cause not related to COVID-19.
* Hospitalizations and deaths that are not a direct result of COVID-19 are still considered vaccine breakthrough cases if the person was fully vaccinated and subsequently tested positive for COVID-19.

They are great numbers, but I would say they don't actually tell us that much. We don't know how many are undetected and I would hazard a guess that the majority of the data collected comes from medical workers who are subjected to often repeated testing as myself. That would lend to the breakthrough data of females at 65%...
If we were to take 30,000 people as the actual study did... And assuming they did not have covid prior to the vaccine, and test them parodically for a few months that would in some aspect give us a better estimate. The thing I've noted is for the scale of the roll out, there has been very little ongoing studies of the asymptomatic infected post vaccination. The sooner they actually establish some trends from that, the sooner they can actually get around to letting vaccinated drop the mask. We are not going to reach "herd" vaccinated immunity any time soon. Too many people are not going to get the vaccine and the fear of the vaccine killing you is so silly but I can understand it if you are young the risk of death is less then 0.0001 and I've heard wildly different numbers for death from the vaccine but even if 2000 were killed by the vaccine the risk of death is an absurdly low number...

[Soloist]

It’s recommended to get the Covid vaccine even if you have had it. While repeat cases of Covid are rare, they tend to be more severe the second time around and from what I understand, there are still questions and unknowns about how long immunity lasts. I figure it’s better to be safe than sorry. Covid is not an experience I want to repeat.

You might be interested in this https://www.nih.gov/news-events/nih-res ... y-covid-19

[Ken]

It’s recommended to get the Covid vaccine even if you have had it. While repeat cases of Covid are rare, they tend to be more severe the second time around and from what I understand, there are still questions and unknowns about how long immunity lasts. I figure it’s better to be safe than sorry. Covid is not an experience I want to repeat.

You might be interested in this https://www.nih.gov/news-events/nih-res ... y-covid-19

There is also research (that I'm took lazy to chase down) that suggests that people who have previously had Covid only need to take one dose of the 2-dose vaccines to attain full immunity. In other words, the vaccines function as a booster and you might not really need the full 2-dose regimen.

[Soloist]

There is also research (that I'm took lazy to chase down) that suggests that people who have previously had Covid only need to take one dose of the 2-dose vaccines to attain full immunity. In other words, the vaccines function as a booster and you might not really need the full 2-dose regimen.

Yeah I seem to remember that was suggested but apparently ignored by the administrators and policy makers.

They still don't know how long the vaccine lasts or natural immunity. Prior history would show that natural immunity lasts much longer but generally has downsides of the disease...

Mumps is a prime example of a shoddy vaccine... it used to be better but the effectivity has not kept up after they combined it with Measles and Rubella. Another would be the Pertussis vaccine. It was far more useful back when it was poisoning everyone with mercury As far as that goes, I find it interesting that we never really pushed for vaccinating adults yet they are the primary mode of transmitting pertussis