Randal Martin on the CAM/Jeriah Debacle

[Soloist]

Here's a relevant question. Is God's blessing on a ministry who has sent pedophiles into the field to abuse children? Ministries that I had trusted but were found to have corruption--be it sexual, financial, or power issues--never received another dollar from me, because I felt God's hand was no longer (if it ever was) on them.

If we're going to ignore the spiritual aspect of charitable groups, then why not give to secular organizations (I don't)? It's a lot worse to find wickedness in Christian ministries, right? And I think I can show examples from Scriptures where God held a whole group of His people accountable when a very few had committed the sin (even when the rest may not have known about it).

And when we read in Revelation, a few had not soiled their garments... These were found worthy still. The call was to the church, but the reward rested with the few.

[KrisKramer]

I agree with helping the poor and needy but I worry how many poor and needy might be being assaulted in this manor by other employees of CAM. When there's already been 2....are there only 2?

This is a path that is ripe for abuse by people like that so a company in charge of stuff like this needs to work hard to keep people like that out.

I do NOT trust CAM to do that

I sincerely hope they learned their lesson going forward.

What should have happened is all those who knew about JM and HH be fired from their positions and replaced. That way the organization could continue and the people they help not be denied the help they so desperately need. And the thousands of people, both employees and the people CAM helps, should not have to suffer because of the mistakes of a few in the organization's administration.

I can understand your issue with trust, which is why I think there should have been more consequences for those in leadership who overlooked the horrific abuses

We can both agree there

[TruthSeeker]

CAM had access to info on stuff HH had done before they even left him go to Haiti if they had even wanted to know truth.

And for the record, Charity who, also knew HH's history, backed his decision to begin mission work in Haiti. They've been neck to neck with CAM in HH's empowerment/enablement/defense.

Come to think of it, I believe I learned here on MennoNet that a lot of Charity folks are either employed by CAM or serving mission assignments under CAM's oversight. Maybe both?

[KrisKramer]

I can't figure out how to share pics for those who can't see trudys blog for what uncle Dan shared .

CAM knew
Charity knew

Maybe someone else can share the stuff from trudys blog for those who can't see. I don't know how to do that stuff.

The proof is out there but I don't know how to share it so soloist can see I'm not a liar.

[Soloist]

The proof is out there but I don't know how to share it so soloist can see I'm not a liar.

I'm not trying to call you a liar.

1 Tim 5: 19 Against an elder receive not an accusation, but before two or three witnesses. 20Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear.

[TruthSeeker]

The proof is out there but I don't know how to share it so soloist can see I'm not a liar.

I'm not trying to call you a liar.

1 Tim 5: 19 Against an elder receive not an accusation, but before two or three witnesses. 20Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear.

PM'd Soloist/KrisKramer a list of links.

[KrisKramer]

The proof is out there but I don't know how to share it so soloist can see I'm not a liar.

I'm not trying to call you a liar.

1 Tim 5: 19 Against an elder receive not an accusation, but before two or three witnesses. 20Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear.

PM'd Soloist/KrisKramer a list of links.

You would think I would be better at all this computer stuff by now. Maybe some day.

[Soloist]

So far I have received the personal testimony of one man I've never met. I cannot dismiss what he said, but its not conclusive. The other things I'm still waiting on the actual stuff due to some technical confusions.

[Soloist]

Several days later I disclosed to an executive member of CAM that I possessed a signed copy of their hush agreement. A meeting was quickly scheduled in which board members of our organization convened with 20+ members of the executive and advisory board of CAM on December 16th, 2019.

So... Why has this signed copy of their hush agreement been made public? If resolution of the meeting failed, where is the blackmail?

[Aurien]

The proof is out there but I don't know how to share it so soloist can see I'm not a liar.

I'm not trying to call you a liar.

1 Tim 5: 19 Against an elder receive not an accusation, but before two or three witnesses. 20Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear.

Kris Kramer + Daniel Herr = two witnesses.