Coronavirus Outbreak

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RZehr wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 2:31 pm Time to end the “hygiene theater”:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/end-the-hygi ... 40864.html
It’s time to unplug the sanitizing robots and put away the bottles of Clorox that seem to line the entrances to every school, restaurant and supermarket wanting to advertise its safety protocols. While such protocols may be reassuring to an anxious populace, they are not necessary, says a revised guidance issued on Monday by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

The coronavirus is spread almost exclusively by airborne and aerosolized particles, as scientists have known for months. Despite scientists’ growing certitude about how the pathogen is transmitted, many establishments have continued to insist on strict sanitization protocols. In some school districts, for example, classrooms close for full-day “deep cleaning.”

The persistence of such practices has led to the advent of a derisive term — “hygiene theater” — to describe rituals that appear to do little to stop the virus from spreading. It is not clear if the CDC’s new guidance will lower the curtain on those theatrics, given how entrenched some of those practices have become.
No argument from me. I work at a school in which we are supposed to wipe down desks and computers every period between classes. Whole thing is very pointless. Lunch lasts 2 hours because they completely disinfect the cafeteria between the three different lunch periods (1/3 of the student body goes to A-lunch for 30 min. Then they disinfect all the surfaces for 15 min before ringing the bell for B-lunch, etc. etc.)

There are hand sanitizer stations in every classroom and hallway and most kids just take a squirt every time they walk into every classroom.

On the plus side, the school has never been more spotless. And I haven't caught so much as a cold since the pandemic started a year ago.
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In my opinion, we are nearing a point where the data will begin to really show whether the vaccinations are making a difference in the severity of the virus.

Near the end of February, COVID cases abruptly stopped their rapid decrease, and basically leveled out. Then, in mid-March, cases rose again slightly. In recent weeks we have been seeing a very slight increase. Right now, we are seeing about the same number of daily new cases that we saw at the peak of the second wave of the virus last July. The winter wave of the virus peaked out so high that the valley we're in now doesn't seem so bad, but again, for the past month or so, we've been at the same level of daily new cases as we were in the peak of the second wave. The case numbers we are experiencing right now are worse than the numbers in 2020 until late October.

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But, we are still seeing daily new deaths dropping at a nice rate. We are about 3 weeks from the point in mid-March where the daily new cases started ticking up slightly. And with the lag between cases and resulting deaths, now is about the point when we used to see the deaths start to rise commensurate with the cases from 3+ weeks prior. If we don't see that happening, I think we can safely say the vaccine may at least be a factor in reducing the severity of the virus. That in combination with a continuous overall reduction in numbers of cases, a phenomenon which has taken a break for the past month or so, would convince me that the vaccines really are making a difference.

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Funny how all the talk about hospital bed space and ventilators has disappeared, but we keep right on acting like we are still in a crisis of unknown proportions and unknown fatality.
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RZehr wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 6:58 pm Funny how all the talk about hospital bed space and ventilators has disappeared, but we keep right on acting like we are still in a crisis of unknown proportions and unknown fatality.

Remember when it was just about ‘flattening the curve’? They still talk that way here in Honduras.
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RZehr wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 6:58 pm Funny how all the talk about hospital bed space and ventilators has disappeared, but we keep right on acting like we are still in a crisis of unknown proportions and unknown fatality.
It hasn't disappeared. It is just localized. This is today's news out of Michigan: https://www.mlive.com/public-interest/2 ... ening.html
Michigan’s COVID-19 hospitalizations are following a surge of new cases in recent weeks, leading all other states in its rate of utilized hospital and ICU beds for coronavirus patients.

Throughout the state, 11.9% of in-patient hospital beds are being used to treat COVID-19 patients. That’s an increase of 203% since Feb. 28, and marks No. 1 in the nation.

As of Wednesday, April 7, Michigan hospitals were treating 3,595 patients with confirmed or suspected cases of COVID-19. That’s a significant jump from the 2,424 such patients one week earlier, and less than 1,000 patients a month ago.

In fact, the latest week-over-week spike is the largest of its kind since the initial 2020 spring surge.
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How many hospitals in Michigan are we using here to justify March 2020 restrictions in 49 other states in April 2021?
Michigan is fine. No tent hospitals in parks. No National Guard setting up cots conference center to remain unused. No hospital ships on Lake Michigan. They’re fine. It’s just a headline, something to write about.

From your link:
“You know, we’re talking to our hospitals every single day just to check in, see what the rates are, see if they’re getting concerned,” Whitmer said. “At this juncture ... we do have hospitalizations that have gone up but they’re nothing like what we saw last spring, when we were so worried about our health system collapsing.

“They’re not even what we saw in the fall.”

The governor is right -- the current count of 3,595 COVID-19 patients in hospital beds is still fewer than the 3,941-patient peak of the fall surge, or the 4,365-patient peak of the first surge last April.
Michigan’s COVID-19 hospitalizations are following a surge of new cases in recent weeks, leading all other states in its rate of utilized hospital and ICU beds for coronavirus patients.
So Michigan is leading all other state in utilized hospital and ICU beds, but they aren’t as bad as last spring or fall. Which means that right now nowhere is as bad as Michigan was last spring or fall. Time to declare victory and leave home.
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RZehr wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 5:56 pm How many hospitals in Michigan are we using here to justify March 2020 restrictions in 49 other states in April 2021?
Michigan is fine. No tent hospitals in parks. No National Guard setting up cots conference center to remain unused. No hospital ships on Lake Michigan. They’re fine. It’s just a headline, something to write about.

From your link:
“You know, we’re talking to our hospitals every single day just to check in, see what the rates are, see if they’re getting concerned,” Whitmer said. “At this juncture ... we do have hospitalizations that have gone up but they’re nothing like what we saw last spring, when we were so worried about our health system collapsing.

“They’re not even what we saw in the fall.”

The governor is right -- the current count of 3,595 COVID-19 patients in hospital beds is still fewer than the 3,941-patient peak of the fall surge, or the 4,365-patient peak of the first surge last April.
Michigan’s COVID-19 hospitalizations are following a surge of new cases in recent weeks, leading all other states in its rate of utilized hospital and ICU beds for coronavirus patients.
So Michigan is leading all other states in utilized hospital and ICU beds, but they aren’t as bad as last spring or fall. Which means that right now nowhere is as bad as Michigan was last spring or fall. Time to declare victory and leave home.
It would be interesting to know where Michigan stands as to the rate of vaccinations. The vaccine is being heralded as the cure-all for the virus. I am hearing of hospitalizations following receiving the vaccine. Obviously, that is not making the headlines. Is there a possibility that the increase in hospitalizations is a result of the vaccine? I have no figures, but it is a question in my mind.
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Biblical Anabaptist wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:31 pm
RZehr wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 5:56 pm How many hospitals in Michigan are we using here to justify March 2020 restrictions in 49 other states in April 2021?
Michigan is fine. No tent hospitals in parks. No National Guard setting up cots conference center to remain unused. No hospital ships on Lake Michigan. They’re fine. It’s just a headline, something to write about.

From your link:
“You know, we’re talking to our hospitals every single day just to check in, see what the rates are, see if they’re getting concerned,” Whitmer said. “At this juncture ... we do have hospitalizations that have gone up but they’re nothing like what we saw last spring, when we were so worried about our health system collapsing.

“They’re not even what we saw in the fall.”

The governor is right -- the current count of 3,595 COVID-19 patients in hospital beds is still fewer than the 3,941-patient peak of the fall surge, or the 4,365-patient peak of the first surge last April.
Michigan’s COVID-19 hospitalizations are following a surge of new cases in recent weeks, leading all other states in its rate of utilized hospital and ICU beds for coronavirus patients.
So Michigan is leading all other states in utilized hospital and ICU beds, but they aren’t as bad as last spring or fall. Which means that right now nowhere is as bad as Michigan was last spring or fall. Time to declare victory and leave home.
It would be interesting to know where Michigan stands as to the rate of vaccinations. The vaccine is being heralded as the cure-all for the virus. I am hearing of hospitalizations following receiving the vaccine. Obviously, that is not making the headlines. Is there a possibility that the increase in hospitalizations is a result of the vaccine? I have no figures, but it is a question in my mind.
They are in 26th place so about exactly at the median with 19.55% of the population fully vaccinated (and 80.45% of the population not fully vaccinated): https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/p ... ch-15.html
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NO why has no one brought up the fact that we could do more to help save lives by better diets, then dealing with Covid?

Oh, wait. I did.

https://thepostmillennial.com/highest-c ... opulations
A comprehensive report from the World Obesity Federation has found that the highest COVID-19 death rates are seen in countries with the highest overweight populations. The report contains mortality data from Johns Hopkins University and the WHO Global Health Observatory data on obesity.
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Robert wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 12:03 pm NO why has no one brought up the fact that we could do more to help save lives by better diets, then dealing with Covid?

Oh, wait. I did.

https://thepostmillennial.com/highest-c ... opulations
A comprehensive report from the World Obesity Federation has found that the highest COVID-19 death rates are seen in countries with the highest overweight populations. The report contains mortality data from Johns Hopkins University and the WHO Global Health Observatory data on obesity.
If the government wants to pass mandates to improve public health and reduce deaths from COVID-19, then instead of forcing masking in restaurants, they could be forcing healthful meals instead. It would be just as logical.
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