Ken wrote: ↑Sat Apr 03, 2021 2:16 pm
Yet somehow every other modern developed nation on the planet has managed to greatly reduce gun violence and death through regulation of firearms.
Yet the killing continues. Vehicles, knives, IEDs. All kinds of things.
Not really. Not in other modern countries. None of them are remotely close to the US in terms of murder rates. Sure if you count dysfunctional countries like Afghanistan, Somalia, and Honduras you will find high rates. But not if you look at peer countries to the US: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_c ... icide_rate
Ken wrote: ↑Sat Apr 03, 2021 2:16 pm
Yet somehow every other modern developed nation on the planet has managed to greatly reduce gun violence and death through regulation of firearms.
Yet the killing continues. Vehicles, knives, IEDs. All kinds of things.
Not really. Not in other modern countries. None of them are remotely close to the US in terms of murder rates. Sure if you count dysfunctional countries like Afghanistan, Somalia, and Honduras you will find high rates. But not if you look at peer countries to the US: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_c ... icide_rate
What is the difference between the US and all those other countries? Mostly the gun laws.
I think there is a lot more to upbringing and cultural differences in those countries compared to the US.
One obvious example would be border control. I'll admit I haven't seen the border in these countries but they are very old nations compared to the USA and have had a ridiculous amount of time to control their borders. While this is not the solitary reason, it does reduce weapons entering the country. We make them... Centrally though, you can make weapons at home and you don't see this in these countries. Why? I think that discussion would find a key piece to the differences between the USA and other places.
Here we have nuts making their own grenades...
Yet the killing continues. Vehicles, knives, IEDs. All kinds of things.
Not really. Not in other modern countries. None of them are remotely close to the US in terms of murder rates. Sure if you count dysfunctional countries like Afghanistan, Somalia, and Honduras you will find high rates. But not if you look at peer countries to the US: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_c ... icide_rate
What is the difference between the US and all those other countries? Mostly the gun laws.
I think there is a lot more to upbringing and cultural differences in those countries compared to the US.
One obvious example would be border control. I'll admit I haven't seen the border in these countries but they are very old nations compared to the USA and have had a ridiculous amount of time to control their borders. While this is not the solitary reason, it does reduce weapons entering the country. We make them... Centrally though, you can make weapons at home and you don't see this in these countries. Why? I think that discussion would find a key piece to the differences between the USA and other places.
Here we have nuts making their own grenades...
Europe has been deluged with migrants from Africa and the middle east. More so that the US frankly. In any event, it isn't immigrants who are responsible for the death toll in the US.
I just disagree with the notion that the US is unique in the entire world and we simply have to just throw our hands up because there is nothing to be done about gun violence (except arm ourselves further).
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Ken wrote: ↑Sat Apr 03, 2021 5:22 pm
Europe has been deluged with migrants from Africa and the middle east. More so that the US frankly. In any event, it isn't immigrants who are responsible for the death toll in the US.
I just disagree with the notion that the US is unique in the entire world and we simply have to just throw our hands up because there is nothing to be done about gun violence (except arm ourselves further).
Unless I'm mistaken though, they are not waltzing through the door... There is quite a process to even get into Greece mainland.
I never said the immigrants have any share in the death toll.
I never said we need to arm ourselves. I am opposed to killing anyone, unborn baby, illegal immigrant, terrorist, enemy combatant... I would give up my weapons if asked. I would be skeptical that would stop criminals from committing crime. Accidental death from weapon discharge? Sure that would go down.
Ken wrote: ↑Sat Apr 03, 2021 2:16 pm
Yet somehow every other modern developed nation on the planet has managed to greatly reduce gun violence and death through regulation of firearms.
Yet the killing continues. Vehicles, knives, IEDs. All kinds of things.
Not really. Not in other modern countries. None of them are remotely close to the US in terms of murder rates. Sure if you count dysfunctional countries like Afghanistan, Somalia, and Honduras you will find high rates. But not if you look at peer countries to the US: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_c ... icide_rate
What is the difference between the US and all those other countries? Mostly the gun laws.
From an Anabaptist perspective, if I still qualify, I think there probably is more viewing on TV, video games and movie theaters that glorify killing of humans in North America than in other countries. Imo, people can't take in a steady feeding on this stuff and not have a cheap value on life. We reap what we sow.
Yet the killing continues. Vehicles, knives, IEDs. All kinds of things.
Not really. Not in other modern countries. None of them are remotely close to the US in terms of murder rates. Sure if you count dysfunctional countries like Afghanistan, Somalia, and Honduras you will find high rates. But not if you look at peer countries to the US: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_c ... icide_rate
What is the difference between the US and all those other countries? Mostly the gun laws.
From an Anabaptist perspective, if I still qualify, I think there probably is more viewing on TV, video games and movie theaters that glorify killing of humans in North America than in other countries. Imo, people can't take in a steady feeding on this stuff and not have a cheap value on life. We reap what we sow.
If violent video games and media content led to actual violence, then South Korea and the Netherlands would be among the most violent societies on the planet. The opposite is actually true.
It's not the video games that cause gun violence, it's the guns.
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Not really. Not in other modern countries. None of them are remotely close to the US in terms of murder rates. Sure if you count dysfunctional countries like Afghanistan, Somalia, and Honduras you will find high rates. But not if you look at peer countries to the US: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_c ... icide_rate
What is the difference between the US and all those other countries? Mostly the gun laws.
From an Anabaptist perspective, if I still qualify, I think there probably is more viewing on TV, video games and movie theaters that glorify killing of humans in North America than in other countries. Imo, people can't take in a steady feeding on this stuff and not have a cheap value on life. We reap what we sow.
If violent video games and media content led to actual violence, then South Korea and the Netherlands would be among the most violent societies on the planet. The opposite is actually true.
Don't know the source of this graph but if spending is directly related to use I'll accept the findings. I wonder how movies and TV violence shows on a similar graph. I think TV violence has a much larger audience than video games and many gun killings I would think come from those who have a TV but not a lot of money to play video games.
I just think there is more than controlling guns that would change the attitude toward the value of life.
Studies are showing that there are adverse effects - search 'Effects of media violence on youth'.
Look, gun violence is actually not a top political issue of mine. Probably not even in the top 10. I think there are a lot of other issues that are higher priority and politically easier to solve.
I do, however, object to the notion that gun violence in the US is some sort of immutable fact of human nature that is impossible to solve or address. And that all we can do is just throw our hands up, arm ourselves further, and hide in our houses. Which is apparently the sentiment of a lot of people in this country if guns and ammo are flying off the store shelves to such an extent that one can't even find supplies of ammo anymore.
I'm not personally interested in taking anyone's guns away. That would be a politically impossible task anyway. But I would like to see much stricter regulations for storage and use of firearms. Stricter regulations for sales. And a lot more liability for those who carelessly allow their firearms to be used negligently. More like how we treat car ownership and use.
But I don't have any hope that any of that will happen so I worry about other things instead.
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Ken wrote: ↑Sat Apr 03, 2021 4:55 pm
Not really. Not in other modern countries. None of them are remotely close to the US in terms of murder rates. Sure if you count dysfunctional countries like Afghanistan, Somalia, and Honduras you will find high rates. But not if you look at peer countries to the US: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_c ... icide_rate
What is the difference between the US and all those other countries? Mostly the gun laws.
Interesting editing there. Here is a shot from your site. It shows the US in 94th place out of 220. Many of the places above and below are inconsistent with guns ownership. Turkey and Eygpt are both below the US. They have armed private militias.
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Sudsy wrote: ↑Sat Apr 03, 2021 8:34 pm
I wonder how movies and TV violence shows on a similar graph. I think TV violence has a much larger audience than video games and many gun killings I would think come from those who have a TV but not a lot of money to play video games.
I think there is some correlation, and could be some causation. I have felt this for a while. There have been some recent studies that tend to disprove this. I have not really looked at them hard, so not sure how to consider them.
I do think that the political tones are part of it. The politicians that can convince everyone that the sky is falling and we are in a crisis while things are going well are part of the problem too. Much of the internal mass killings have political overtones. Politicians have to convince the populace that the other guy is doing bad or they will not get a vote. Who wants to vote against the guy doing good? So we are inundated with negative ads constantly. It convinces the weak minded that we are in a crisis even when we are not. The imbalanced overreact to the overreaction and we get violence, and the rest find a higher level of dissatisfaction creating a less happy culture.
Do you know most of the gun sales happening now are women and minorities? Maybe they feel less safe right now as policing is being restricted.
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