Lisa Miller case

[Josh]

In modern clown world, you go to prison if you protect your child against an abuser. You also go to prison if you repent and turn away from homosexuality.

Eventually, homosexuality will not just be accepted, it will be mandated.

[Robert]

Lisa Miller was arraigned yesterday in federal court in New York.

According to the article, if convicted, Lisa's charges carry a maximum penalty of five years in prison and a $250,000 fine.

I would have little hope for a positive outcome in a NY court.

[Grace]

Lisa Miller was arraigned yesterday in federal court in New York.

According to the article, if convicted, Lisa's charges carry a maximum penalty of five years in prison and a $250,000 fine.

If convicted let's pray that her sentence and fine will be less. And as for the fine, I hope someone somewhere sets something up for the faith community to help her financially.

[mike]

Lisa Miller was arraigned yesterday in federal court in New York.

According to the article, if convicted, Lisa's charges carry a maximum penalty of five years in prison and a $250,000 fine.

I would have little hope for a positive outcome in a NY court.

Those are the maximums, so it will be interesting to see whether they throw the book at her. Our prayer should be for a lesser sentence. If there is a conviction and sentence, I am fairly sure there will be opportunity to support her financially. While in prison, an inmate can always use money to purchase extra food, clothing, or other supplies. People can also write her to show their support. Pablo Yoder from Nicaragua has been keeping his email list updated with information on how to write Lisa.

[temporal1]

Lisa Miller was arraigned yesterday in federal court in New York.

According to the article, if convicted, Lisa's charges carry a maximum penalty of five years in prison and a $250,000 fine.

I would have little hope for a positive outcome in a NY court.

BUFFALO, NY
One might hope, if it’s outside NYC.
However, looks like legal action began in Buffalo:

FILE - Lisa Miller answers questions about her custody battle during a news conference at the State Capitol on Thursday, April 17, 2008, in Richmond, Va.

Federal court records say that Miller was taken into federal custody Jan. 27, 2021.

She is awaiting transfer to Buffalo, New York,
where she was indicted in 2014 on international parental kidnapping charges.

Miller allegedly fled the United States for Nicaragua in 2009 rather than share custody of her child with her former same-sex partner. (AP Photo/Lisa Billings, file)

Notice, no reference to suggest any parental or custodial connection between JJ and Isabella.
Other than, a popularized new normal, that if SS blocs/lobbies want something, they have special privileges to take it.
Super Citizens. Not equal, superior.

Praying for Lisa to be granted full parole on any sentence assigned. No prison time, esp not during this pandemic, when many convicted have been released. Waive financial penalty. Apologies from the court to plaintiffs, their families and loved ones.

[Ken]

Praying for Lisa to be granted full parole on any sentence assigned. No prison time, esp not during this pandemic, when many convicted have been released. Waive financial penalty. Apologies from the court to plaintiffs, their families and loved ones.

In our legal system that sort of leniency will likely require some sort of statement of remorse and contrition and willingness to make amends for the crimes committed. That is what both judges and parole boards expect to hear and see. And those sorts of factors are actually built into sentencing and parole guidelines.

If Lisa Miller is willing to do that sort of thing then I expect she will be treated pretty leniently. If she remains defiant and refuses to acknowledge wrong-doing and contrition or remorse to the court then perhaps not so much.

Unless I miss my guess, that is the bind in which she is going to find herself.

[temporal1]

Praying for Lisa to be granted full parole on any sentence assigned. No prison time, esp not during this pandemic, when many convicted have been released. Waive financial penalty. Apologies from the court to plaintiffs, their families and loved ones.

In our legal system that sort of leniency will likely require some sort of statement of remorse and contrition and willingness to make amends for the crimes committed. That is what both judges and parole boards expect to hear and see. And those sorts of factors are actually built into sentencing and parole guidelines.

If Lisa Miller is willing to do that sort of thing then I expect she will be treated pretty leniently. If she remains defiant and refuses to acknowledge wrong-doing and contrition or remorse to the court then perhaps not so much.

Unless I miss my guess, that is the bind in which she is going to find herself.

If this is correct .. i’m not sure it is ..
courts will have to consider whether citizens have legal rights to closely held religious beliefs, conscience.
This could not correctly be termed “defiance.”

(Similar cases regarding wedding cakes and birth control pills are more closely aligned with this case - rather than cases of 2 biological or adoptive parents in dispute over child custody, national borders, etc.)

The fact that JJ has no bio or close legal connection to Isabella should be a weighty factor in favor of both LM and Isabella. ABC reported JJ is described in court as “Next friend.” (see Page 1 reference below.)

Human laws should not be hijacked by individuals who claim special privileges because they (are or choose) exceptional legal labels for themselves. Human is human, all are vulnerable to flaws.


Page 1:

The lying press
uses terms like “daughter” to describe someone who was never legally or morally Janet’s daughter at the time they lived together, were in a relationship, and ended their relationship.

The SPLC designated Liberty Counsel a “hate group”. Make no mistake - if you take a stand against homosexuality and child abuse, you will eventually be designated a “hate group” as well and prosecuted.

The words, ”The lying press” should be printed, framed, and displayed on every classroom wall of every U.S. gov school, Pre-K through College.

(From what i’ve read over the years, i agree with Josh’s various posts about the lack of relationship between JJ and Isabella.)

abcnews:
.. The suit was filed by Jenkins as the “next friend” of Isabella Miller. ..

No reference to parent, adoption, or legal guardian, because none of these apply. (From what i’ve read over years.) https://dictionary.law.com/Default.aspx?selected=1322

The suit was filed in 2012, “The lying press” evidently chose to hide this legal terminology for all these years. Yet people continually rely on what they read in the press. The desire to trust+believe is both great and, after so many examples of stupefying failures, puzzling.

Isabella has (has always had) a competent and present biological mother.
The case should have been thrown out in 2012 based on no need of “next friend.” imho.

If all the people hurt by this case were Catholic (like Nick Sandmann) they might look forward to counter-suits. $$$$ In this case, CMs are unlikely to pursue legal action. (i presume.)

i do not pursue lawsuits.
however, a counter suit in this case might help deter future abuses of what’s left of the U.S. legal system.

[temporal1]

These posts above, especially defining JJ as “NEXT FRIEND” in courts, reflect how BIASED MEDIA is seriously screwing around legal language to popularize bias in public opinion. The goal is: Mob rule.

This is a grave error, with lasting ramifications.

The NICK SANDMANN case should throw sobering cold water on the mainstream to stop doing this.
Yes. IT SELLS. No, it’s not right.

[Ken]

Praying for Lisa to be granted full parole on any sentence assigned. No prison time, esp not during this pandemic, when many convicted have been released. Waive financial penalty. Apologies from the court to plaintiffs, their families and loved ones.

In our legal system that sort of leniency will likely require some sort of statement of remorse and contrition and willingness to make amends for the crimes committed. That is what both judges and parole boards expect to hear and see. And those sorts of factors are actually built into sentencing and parole guidelines.

If Lisa Miller is willing to do that sort of thing then I expect she will be treated pretty leniently. If she remains defiant and refuses to acknowledge wrong-doing and contrition or remorse to the court then perhaps not so much.

Unless I miss my guess, that is the bind in which she is going to find herself.

If this is correct .. i’m not sure it is ..
courts will have to consider whether citizens have legal rights to closely held religious beliefs, conscience.
This could not correctly be termed “defiance.” Similar cases regarding wedding cakes and birth control pills are more closely aligned with this case - rather than cases of 2 biological or adoptive parents in dispute over child custody, national borders, etc.

It is very much true that remorse is a factor in both sentencing and parole. For example, here's one legal article on the topic:

In most common law jurisdictions worldwide, an offender's remorse is a mitigating factor in sentencing. It matters whether or not a person who has committed a crime is truly sorry for what they have done.: https://www.researchgate.net/publicatio ... ave%20done.

And here is an article specific to New York State:

Remorse on the part of criminal defendants has long been held to be an appropriate consideration for courts, particularly during the sentencing phase of criminal proceedings. https://socialchangenyu.com/review/judging-remorse/

There is a lot written on this topic: https://www.google.com/search?q=remorse+in+sentencing

[temporal1]

The value of remorse, personally and in courts, is not in question.

What is in question here is whether LM has anything to be remorseful about.
If courts respect individual rights to closely held religious beliefs, remorse is not a factor.

In this case, JJ’s distant legal connection, “next friend,” to Isabella should be in question.
Media reporting inaccurate labels on this connection, over years, should be questioned.