Josh wrote:My understanding (which could be wrong) is he was expelled from an Eastern church first, and the a Hope church next, Muddy Creek Menn. in Denver.
It would be worthwhile for some to reach out to folks at Muddy Creek to ask them what happened. Personally, I have a hard time understanding how a Charity type group accepts someone who’s been expelled from two churches already without checking in to what’s going on, and instead installs them to mission work.
Close. In actuality:
Dismissed by Eastern from position as school principal.
Restricted by Hope Fellowship from filling pastoral role (or at least preaching) at Muddy Creek.
Never excommunicated. Freely bobbed & weaved from one denomination to another.
Josh wrote:My understanding (which could be wrong) is he was expelled from an Eastern church first, and the a Hope church next, Muddy Creek Menn. in Denver.
It would be worthwhile for some to reach out to folks at Muddy Creek to ask them what happened. Personally, I have a hard time understanding how a Charity type group accepts someone who’s been expelled from two churches already without checking in to what’s going on, and instead installs them to mission work.
Muddy Creek still proclaims proudly on their website that he helped start the church. Maybe they should have a disclaimer if they don't support him
KrisKramer wrote: . . . Charity knew of many allegations years ago but still they praised "Grandpa Harold" (as many in the church call him) and people like granny were called (by the church) crazy.
Is there ever going to be a real investigation? Or will it always be the church sweeping under the rug?
Nothing ever happens. When the CAM news broke, I thought maybe now..... but no. . .
It is definitely curious how a person—
1) clearly admits they married a “crazy woman” but believes they have the discernment required for being a missionary.
2) professes love for the foreigner but does nothing for the emotional welfare of the offspring, allegedly ruined by the crazy wife—or secure supports for the wife versus framing/blaming her.
Equally astonishing is the fact that churches & organizations such as Charity & CAM who tout headship and emphasize family values didn’t require HH to be accountable in these departments. Instead they reinforced the framing/blaming of the late ex and and enabled predatory patterns!
KrisKramer wrote: . . . Charity knew of many allegations years ago but still they praised "Grandpa Harold" (as many in the church call him) and people like granny were called (by the church) crazy.
Is there ever going to be a real investigation? Or will it always be the church sweeping under the rug?
Nothing ever happens. When the CAM news broke, I thought maybe now..... but no. . .
It is definitely curious how a person—
1) clearly admits they married a “crazy woman” but believes they have the discernment required for being a missionary.
2) professes love for the foreigner but does nothing for the emotional welfare of the offspring, allegedly ruined by the crazy wife—or secure supports for the wife versus framing/blaming her.
Equally astonishing is the fact that churches & organizations such as Charity & CAM who tout headship and emphasize family values didn’t require HH to be accountable in these departments. Instead they reinforced the framing/blaming of the late ex and and enabled predatory patterns!
I had Harold Herr as a teacher at Paradise Mennonite School( Washington Co conference) in the 60's. In fact he was one of the first teachers there when the school started. I more or less lost track of him until recent years.
Biblical Anabaptist wrote:I had Harold Herr as a teacher at Paradise Mennonite School( Washington Co conference) in the 60's. In fact he was one of the first teachers there when the school started. I more or less lost track of him until recent years.
Was born while my family attended the church running the school. Know of at least 3 denominations attended prior and 4 afterward.
