Most Worthy Pardon Petition

[RZehr]

I’m happy for her to be taking this step. Running and hiding would be tough. Isabella is of age now. I hope and pray that Lisa will have a light punishment, and get it behind her.

[mike]

Prison is a foregone conclusion.

Looks like one could expect up to a 3-year sentence for international parental child abduction.

https://www.justice.gov/criminal-ceos/i ... d%20States.

I don't think it is necessarily a foregone conclusion. But she will need a good lawyer to negotiate some kind of alternative service diversion program. Those are more common at the state level not the federal level. They may expect some demonstration of remorse and making of amends. Which if she is not willing to do, may make a diversion program or alternate service less likely. That is going to be the rub.

If she expresses that she did the right thing, which she appears to do in this letter, it's hard to understand how she could demonstrate remorse at the same time. This is why I think prison is her immediate future.

[temporal1]

mike:
If she expresses that she did the right thing, which she appears to do in this letter, it's hard to understand how she could demonstrate remorse at the same time. This is why I think prison is her immediate future.

Either way, the pressure will be for “reeducation,” remorse, and embracing the script.
The greatest pressure may be on Isabella. Prison will provide some protections, but no protection from the script. The script is protected.

There are court-mandates, as well, the more volatile social pressures. Prayers this case does not blow up on social media (mob rule).

prayers for grace, and prayers for strength+courage+guidance to endure.

mike, you and others on this forum are active in prison missionary work. you have first-person exposure. i believe Ken Miller used his prison experience to share the gospel with everyone he encountered, including his judge(s).

from the little i’ve read, i expect Lisa Miller will do her best. the forced separation from Isabella might be the hardest factor for both of them. altho i trust they are both as prepared to cope as would be possible. there may be some very hard days.

thankfully, Christians are warned to be prepared for difficulties on earth.
i’m so glad scriptures do not lie about it. instead, true help in Jesus Christ is offered.

[mike]

mike:
If she expresses that she did the right thing, which she appears to do in this letter, it's hard to understand how she could demonstrate remorse at the same time. This is why I think prison is her immediate future.

Either way, the pressure will be for “reeducation,” remorse, and embracing the script.
The greatest pressure may be on Isabella. Prison will provide some protections, but no protection from the script. The script is protected.

There are court-mandates, as well, the more volatile social pressures. Prayers this case does not blow up on social media (mob rule).

prayers for grace, and prayers for strength+courage+guidance to endure.

Amen. Prison is very hard, but I believe that the ability to be content in having done the right thing is a tremendous help for enduring a prison experience. Very few prisoners have that gift.

[temporal1]

Amen. Prison is very hard, but I believe that the ability to be content in having done the right thing is a tremendous help for enduring a prison experience.

Very few prisoners have that gift.

you know, before they were prisoners behind bars they were prisoners (of sin) in the “free” world.
by that i mean, we “out here” are prisoners without bars until/unless we accept Jesus Christ as Savior.

so, yes, your words, “very few prisoners have that gift,” speaks to the need of missionaries to prisoners-not behind bars. i had not before thought of it that way.

[Bootstrap]

I encourage everyone to pray as Lisa requested.

Today, January 18, 2021, I am voluntarily surrendering myself to the U.S. Authorities by walking into the U.S. Embassy in Nicaragua.

Isabella and I will be walking in together; however, we do not know what will occur, especially since neither one of us have current paperwork. We covet your prayers with our following concerns: that we could travel together to the US and that she could find a home that supports her convictions.

In addition, I ask you for prayer specifically for me to honor and to glorify God and for my health. Thank you in advance for your prayers. May our Lord be further glorified in this matter.

And perhaps to pray Psalm 91 on her behalf, holding them before God. That's the scripture she ended the letter with.

If they wind up in jail, they will have a robust support system and a lot of surrounding prayer.

[Josh]

Prison is a foregone conclusion.

Looks like one could expect up to a 3-year sentence for international parental child abduction.

https://www.justice.gov/criminal-ceos/i ... d%20States.

What concerns me more is the foregone eternal conclusion of everyone in the world involved in this mockery of justice.

[mike]

Prison is a foregone conclusion.

Looks like one could expect up to a 3-year sentence for international parental child abduction.

https://www.justice.gov/criminal-ceos/i ... d%20States.

What concerns me more is the foregone eternal conclusion of everyone in the world involved in this mockery of justice.

For sure. I will pray for Lisa and her hardship, and her daughter, but they have a really bright future ahead of them no matter what happens.

[Szdfan]

If you strip past the religiosity of this case, you’re left with a pretty typical high-conflict custody dispute with parental alienation that culminated in international parental kidnapping. This is not really an unusual case — what’s unusual is that it involved a same-sex couple and the religious argument.

Since the courts have been pretty consistent treating this as a regular custody dispute, I can’t imagine they’re going to change and give Miller a break.

[mike]

If you strip past the religiosity of this case, you’re left with a pretty typical high-conflict custody dispute with parental alienation that culminated in international parental kidnapping. This is not really an unusual case — what’s unusual is that it involved a same-sex couple and the religious argument.

Since the courts have been pretty consistent treating this as a regular custody dispute, I can’t imagine they’re going to change and give Miller a break.

Were there actually any religious arguments made in any of the court cases related to this dispute?