Coronavirus Outbreak

[silentreader]

They have positive tests in staff. Are they "knowingly" infected? I can't answer that. But they do have "outbreaks."

If they are testing positive they are knowingly infected. If they are returning to work after a positive test, before being medically cleared, by a doctor, this should not happen! If they are working after a positive test, without quarantine, this should not happen.

J.M.

JM is it your opinion that if a person is being tested weekly, they cannot become infected and become contagious between tests?
If five people test positive on Friday, isn't it reasonable to assume that at least two or three of them might have been contagious on Wednesday and Thursday prior to being tested? If that is possible, I think silentreader's question has been about whether the N95 mask is effective in preventing that staff member from infecting others during that period of contagion before the test.

Thanks ken, for that clarification, from the 'tone of voice', it didn't appear there was any point in me taking it any further.

[Judas Maccabeus]

They have positive tests in staff. Are they "knowingly" infected? I can't answer that. But they do have "outbreaks."

If they are testing positive they are knowingly infected. If they are returning to work after a positive test, before being medically cleared, by a doctor, this should not happen! If they are working after a positive test, without quarantine, this should not happen.

J.M.

JM is it your opinion that if a person is being tested weekly, they cannot become infected and become contagious between tests?
If five people test positive on Friday, isn't it reasonable to assume that at least two or three of them might have been contagious on Wednesday and Thursday prior to being tested? If that is possible, I think silentreader's question has been about whether the N95 mask is effective in preventing that staff member from infecting others during that period of contagion before the test.

No, it is not 100% effective. But it is part of a larger strategy:

https://medcom.uiowa.edu/theloop/we-sta ... eese-model

No one thing works 100%, but combined they have a high degree of protection for those at risk. One of those layers is if you are feeling bad or exhibiting symptoms, you don’t come to work. If you test positive, you do not come back until you are cleared. This is tough in some places, my former work had a culture of coming in unless you were almost dead. That had to go with COVID 19.

I do not know if N95s work to stop transmission. Intuitively they should.

J.M.

[Judas Maccabeus]

AstraZenicia/Oxford has requested approval from UK regulators:
https://www.dw.com/en/coronavirus-diges ... a-56065690

https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-the-papers-55456431

[Sudsy]

Just a thought regarding death - it has been estimated that 70,000 people die each day without ever hearing about Jesus. Why is this not a big issue to us Christians compared to concern over a virus that is killing roughly 1,000 a day and will soon become much less ? Seems an eternal perspective on life is very lacking. Yes/No ?

[Wade]

Just a thought regarding death - it has been estimated that 70,000 people die each day without ever hearing about Jesus. Why is this not a big issue to us Christians compared to concern over a virus that is killing roughly 1,000 a day and will soon become much less ? Seems an eternal perspective on life is very lacking. Yes/No ?

Yes!
To expand on that over 25,000 people die of starvation each day of which about 10,000 are children. I imagine a big percentage of those people have not heard the Gospel and even less have seen it lived out.
Meanwhile I've been told that if 30% of the food thrown out in North America was saved it could feed all the undernourished people in the world.
And I have also been told that nearly $200 billion is spent on Christmas by Christians alone in North America each year and some where around $20 billion could feed all the undernourished people in the world for a year...
Where our priorities are is clear...

[Valerie]

Just a thought regarding death - it has been estimated that 70,000 people die each day without ever hearing about Jesus. Why is this not a big issue to us Christians compared to concern over a virus that is killing roughly 1,000 a day and will soon become much less ? Seems an eternal perspective on life is very lacking. Yes/No ?

Yes!
To expand on that over 25,000 people die of starvation each day of which about 10,000 are children. I imagine a big percentage of those people have not heard the Gospel and even less have seen it lived out.
Meanwhile I've been told that if 30% of the food thrown out in North America was saved it could feed all the undernourished people in the world.
And I have also been told that nearly $200 billion is spent on Christmas by Christians alone in North America each year and some where around $20 billion could feed all the undernourished people in the world for a year...
Where our priorities are is clear...

Ouch.
So much waste!!
I agree with Sudsy and you- but I think most Christians are not 'afraid' of the virus so they're not the ones constantly spreading fear instead of faith. We are missing an opportunity!

[JimFoxvog]

Just a thought regarding death - it has been estimated that 70,000 people die each day without ever hearing about Jesus. Why is this not a big issue to us Christians compared to concern over a virus that is killing roughly 1,000 a day and will soon become much less ? Seems an eternal perspective on life is very lacking. Yes/No ?

The point about caring for peoples' eternal life is valid and important.

Comparing US deaths (currently at about 2200 / day) with world statistics is not valid.

[Bootstrap]

Just a thought regarding death - it has been estimated that 70,000 people die each day without ever hearing about Jesus. Why is this not a big issue to us Christians compared to concern over a virus that is killing roughly 1,000 a day and will soon become much less ? Seems an eternal perspective on life is very lacking. Yes/No ?

On average, a little north of 2,500 a day, I think. And hospitals are getting overwhelmed in some places.

Regardless, can't we care both about the majority world and the United States? Can't we give to charities that provide water and food and also want vaccines for everyone threatened by Covid-19, wherever they live? Can't we follow the medical advice given by public health authorities in order to avoid making other people sick and possibly killing someone?

To me, none of that seems opposed to an eternal perspective.

[Sudsy]

Just a thought regarding death - it has been estimated that 70,000 people die each day without ever hearing about Jesus. Why is this not a big issue to us Christians compared to concern over a virus that is killing roughly 1,000 a day and will soon become much less ? Seems an eternal perspective on life is very lacking. Yes/No ?

The point about caring for peoples' eternal life is valid and important.

Comparing US deaths (currently at about 2200 / day) with world statistics is not valid.

Agreed. I stand corrected.

[Sudsy]

Just a thought regarding death - it has been estimated that 70,000 people die each day without ever hearing about Jesus. Why is this not a big issue to us Christians compared to concern over a virus that is killing roughly 1,000 a day and will soon become much less ? Seems an eternal perspective on life is very lacking. Yes/No ?

On average, a little north of 2,500 a day, I think. And hospitals are getting overwhelmed in some places.

Regardless, can't we care both about the majority world and the United States? Can't we give to charities that provide water and food and also want vaccines for everyone threatened by Covid-19, wherever they live? Can't we follow the medical advice given by public health authorities in order to avoid making other people sick and possibly killing someone?

To me, none of that seems opposed to an eternal perspective.

Yes, we can and should shine our lights in ways such as you described. That would be loving our neighbours as ourselves. However, non Christians are involved in these good deeds also but what will these mean if they don't turn to Jesus for their eternal salvation ?

Seems to me when the concerns are primarily on escaping suffering in this life ànd/or doing good works without sharing the Gospel, we don't have an eternal perspective. What shall it profit a man to gain the whole world yet lose his soul ?

I admit I haven't read thru the now 357 pages on this thread but I will scan thru to see what kind of concern there is for lost souls and how we can best be a good testimony and sharers of the Good News. 357 pages of testimonies in a thread on how we are sharing the Gospel and seeing people becoming born again, now that would be exciting.

Perhaps I don't understand how an eternal perspective is to work its way out in Anabaptist practice. I admit my background has primarily been from a more evangelical influence where I have been involved and witnessed some dynamic conversions, most real that being of my own parents.