Coronavirus Outbreak

Things that are not part of politics happening presently and how we approach or address it as Anabaptists.
Judas Maccabeus

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JimFoxvog wrote:
MaxPC wrote:
Robert wrote:Since Covid deaths are being compared to deaths in wars, I wonder how many lives have been saved by the Middle East peace accords?
Indeed. Now Morocco has signed on to normalize relations with Israel as a part of Trump’s Middle East peace accords.
We'll never know if there would have been deaths relating to Israel and these other countries. I sincerely doubt any lives have been saved so far.
It was in exchange for us recognizing their claims to the Western Sahara, which is clearly disputed, and not internationally recognized. I hope it does not stoke that conflict.

J.M.
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Judas Maccabeus

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Ms. Izzie wrote:What do you think of this information, especially the review of the emerging evidence?

https://covid19criticalcare.com/medical ... vermectin/
Can't weigh in one way or the other, a properly run double blind trial needs to be done. The evidence they present is interesting, but by no means conclusive.

This site is a bit too political for my taste.

J.M.
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Judas Maccabeus

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silentreader wrote:
Soloist wrote:
Ken wrote:Breaking: Advisory panel recommends approval of Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/10/heal ... r-fda.html

Show me the data that its safe...

Even beside that. I have decided I will not receive either of the top two due to ethical concerns regarding use of fetal cell lines.
Here is a (probably) legitimate look at the mRNA vaccines.

https://science.news/2020-05-25-mrna-va ... virus.html
Other articles on the site suggest they have a bit of a political agenda.

This article is just chock full of "What if someone" speculation. I would consider it a bit of a mix of fact and propaganda,

If you are ahead of me in line to get vaccinated, I will gladly take your place.

J.M.
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Since Trump is not talking about this, maybe it will be considered.

[video][/video]

Pierre Kory, M.D., Associate Professor of Medicine at St. Luke's Aurora Medical Center, delivers passionate testimony during the Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee hearing on "Early Outpatient Treatment: An Essential Part of a COVID-19 Solution, Part II."

He recommends ivermectin.
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Judas Maccabeus

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Here are the current treatment guidelines from the NIH. The consensus from the best in their fields:

https://www.covid19treatmentguidelines. ... l-therapy/

Read and draw your own conclusions.

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Robert wrote:Pierre Kory, M.D., Associate Professor of Medicine at St. Luke's Aurora Medical Center, delivers passionate testimony during the Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee hearing on "Early Outpatient Treatment: An Essential Part of a COVID-19 Solution, Part II."

This same doctor is involved with the work at the link I posted earlier which is about ivermectin. Here it is again.

https://covid19criticalcare.com/medical ... vermectin/
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Judas Maccabeus

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Ms. Izzie wrote:
Robert wrote:Pierre Kory, M.D., Associate Professor of Medicine at St. Luke's Aurora Medical Center, delivers passionate testimony during the Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee hearing on "Early Outpatient Treatment: An Essential Part of a COVID-19 Solution, Part II."

This same doctor is involved with the work at the link I posted earlier which is about ivermectin. Here it is again.

https://covid19criticalcare.com/medical ... vermectin/
Was that Sen. Ron Johnson's hearing? He presented all sorts of "alternative medicine" types. Good medicine is not done at congressional hearings, it is done by people who spend their lives in research and clinical medicine. This is a committee consensus, not just one person.

The only way you can prove whether something works is a double blind trial. This has, to the best of my knowledge, not been done. Until then I will take the consensus of the experts at the NIH. They have all the data (including his) at their fingertips.

I could tell you all sorts of stories of drugs that one or another doctor pushed, claiming it was a miracle cure. When tested, the results showed otherwise.

This is why double blind studies are required for approval of new drugs, as well as adding new indications for old ones. Before this was done, there were way too many ineffective drugs out there. Until there is actual data that the experts at NIH agree is sufficient, I am not buying it.

J.M.

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MaxPC

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Robert wrote:
He recommends ivermectin.
Wool it work?
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Josh

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Trump says the vaccine is great, very safe, and passed by an independent FDA (the same FDA whose director he just threatened to either resign or approve the vaccine).

I await to see if all of you Trump haters suddenly start expressing caution about this unsafe, untested, and rushed vaccine. Gonna be a tough one for our folks like Bootstrap and J.M., as the peer reviewed medical consensus is that yep the vaccine is 100% safe, no problems at all, everyone should taken it as soon as possible.

Also gonna be tough for the Trump worshippers who have been sceptical of this vaccine up until now. Will they suspend their adoration of Trump’s every word?
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Soloist

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Judas Maccabeus wrote:
If you are ahead of me in line to get vaccinated, I will gladly take your place.

J.M.
I'll call you when its your turn :laugh

At least I'm not saying "the vaccine is not proven safe nor proven effective, and this is not a real medical pandemic" :roll:
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