Coronavirus Outbreak

Things that are not part of politics happening presently and how we approach or address it as Anabaptists.
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Robert
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RZehr wrote:I’d not assume that good health, and abundant life, are always one and the same. May be some correlation but not causation.
The odds are if we eat better, we are healthier. Diabetes type 2 and heart disease are largely driven by diet and lifestyle, or so says the science.

I do not want to sound like a Covid denier. I am not. I accept it as one of the virii that we do have to work with and around. It has very negative affects on the elderly. Less then flu like affects on the young. It does affect younger, but percentages are showing it is not as deadly to people under 65.

Shutting down the economy for everyone to protect the elderly means we take abundant life from all and add it to those over 70. While this is a kind act for those over 70, It is harmful to all others. If we were a more agrarian society, this would be easier to do. We would each just work our own farms and all would be well. We are not. We are very interconnected. So shutting down the economy, making everyone more setitary and diets often times worse, not speaking of the emotional toil and spiritual strains it puts on us. God created us to be communal. We are fighting our natural state that we are created for.

Masking hides facial expression. This means the natural way we communicate is hidden. It is proven that even infants use facial cues for understanding others. Even adults use it often more than words. It is how we pick up tones and body language. Removing that causes a breakdown on community and communication. These are neural pathways in the brain that are getting rewired and will have, sometimes, life long repercussions.

All this to save .05% of those over 65. Once again, we are looking to the immediate fix and ignoring the long term consequences to the larger society, just like our dietary practices. Event he elderly are suffering, sometimes more than others, from the isolation.

2 Timothy 2:7(ESV) for God gave us a spirit not of fear but of power and love and self-control.
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I believe the abundant life that Jesus talk about has nothing to do with our earthly circumstances. Life in the Spirit can be had by any Christ follower anywhere at any time. This has been testified by many believers that lived through circumstances that few of us will ever experience.

I believe the start point to experiencing this life is by taking our eyes off the temporal pains this world is dealing with, as these will always exist in some forum until Jesus returns and we are delivered from all these evils, and focusing on what Jesus demonstrated and taught about how we are to view this life.

Abundant life in a Kingdom mindset is righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Spirit. When we turn our eyes upon Jesus the things of this world grow strangely dim in the Light of His glory and grace.

But the choice is ours. God does not force that kind of abundant life on anyone.
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Robert wrote:Shutting down the economy for everyone to protect the elderly means we take abundant life from all and add it to those over 70. While this is a kind act for those over 70, It is harmful to all others. If we were a more agrarian society, this would be easier to do. We would each just work our own farms and all would be well. We are not. We are very interconnected. So shutting down the economy, making everyone more setitary and diets often times worse, not speaking of the emotional toil and spiritual strains it puts on us. God created us to be communal. We are fighting our natural state that we are created for.
There are definitely areas of government overreach and poor solutions and I in no way want to support such measures.

However, my opinion is that if everybody would have esteemed others better than themselves since the pandemic began in March, governors would not be shutting down economies, and far fewer people would have gotten long term sickness or died. (retirement homes might be an exception to what I just said)

I think the reason we g are where we are is because too many people were focused on their "rights" and "freedoms" and didn't really care about others.
I'm reminded of the saying, "My freedom ends where your nose begins." Many people didn't apply this principle to the coronavirus. Countries where the population applies this principle are faring much better than the US. Their economies are doing fine, their death rate is low, and their healthcare workers are not exhausted. This is an illustration of what we read in Romans "Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law." I think we could learn from them. We are the ones who have the "oracles of God" and the two greatest commands: Love God, and love your neighbor. Yet "we" are the ones who have trouble putting these commands into shoe leather.
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The local hospital just ended its free community Covid testing today because too much of its staff is out sick and they need the rest of the staff to care for Covid patients.
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Szdfan wrote:The local hospital just ended its free community Covid testing today because too much of its staff is out sick and they need the rest of the staff to care for Covid patients.
They have asked my retired wife to come back and test. Been asked to work with the vaccinations as well. They have gone from walk in testing to appointment only.

Got an email from the state board that licenses us, as well as most other allied health. Briefly stated, it said that administering Covid vaccinations is now in all licensees scope of practice, even if it was not before, and we are authorized to do so. I suspect they are getting a bit nervous about staffing for this.

J.M.
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RZehr

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So I posted here a while ago about the café that is around the corner from my office. They joined the underground resistance and blacked out the front windows, and are illegally welcoming local dine in customers through the rear kitchen door. A speakeasy of sorts.
This morning I went through the kitchen and joined my fellow miscreants in the dining area. As I bowed to ask God to bless my breakfast, I was immediately interrupted and hit with the clear incongruency of asking God to bless anything in that situation and didn't finish my prayer. It was more like, Oh I hear you. You want to speak right now, and not listen to me right now. Okay then, got it.
So I won't be patronizing that establishment in this manner moving forward.

I don't get that feeling about going to church.
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mike

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Our governor in PA, who presumably has been extraordinarily stringent in his precautions against the virus, has tested positive for COVID-19.

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mike wrote:Our governor in PA, who presumably has been extraordinarily stringent in his precautions against the virus, has tested positive for COVID-19.
I am glad you put in the word "presumably". We do know he participated in a spreader event when he marched Black Lives Matter march earlier in the year. Whether he participated in other risky behaviors recently, we don't know.

Nevertheless, I wish him the best and a speedy recovery. Hopefully he will have a mild case or be asymptomatic.
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Grace wrote:
mike wrote:Our governor in PA, who presumably has been extraordinarily stringent in his precautions against the virus, has tested positive for COVID-19.
I am glad you put in the word "presumably". We do know he participated in a spreader event when he marched Black Lives Matter march earlier in the year. Whether he participated in other risky behaviors recently, we don't know.

Nevertheless, I wish him the best and a speedy recovery. Hopefully he will have a mild case or be asymptomatic.
Yes, absolutely. He is 72 years old. If he has no other risk factors, he should be fine.

When President Trump contracted the virus, it was touted as poetic justice by many. We won't likely hear the same refrain about our governor. It does make the limited effectiveness of all the preventive health measures quite obvious. Even with masks, hand sanitizer, social distancing, working from home, and all the other measures, people are still getting the virus. Maybe it is at a rate far less than they would be otherwise. But it is still happening despite what people are doing.
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