Evidence only.

[PeterG]

This is the thread for presenting and discussing evidence related to controversial issues. Biblical interpretation, politics, science, whatever. Just evidence—no posturing, no ad hominem attacks or other logical fallacies. If you say something, be prepared to back it up. If you don't, I may find it necessary to make myself very, very annoying.

I hope that this thread will become more popular than, uh, some other threads.

[lesterb]

So have you designated an official "fact checker"? Or who decides when "evidence" becomes evidence?

[PeterG]

Those are good questions that I don't really have answers to. In a way I don't think it really matters as long as the discussion is confined to assertions of evidence (regardless of whether or not they're accepted) instead of...other things.

[MaxPC]

Those are good questions that I don't really have answers to. In a way I don't think it really matters as long as the discussion is confined to assertions of evidence (regardless of whether or not they're accepted) instead of...other things.

IMO it be helpful to discuss evidence if links to the article, data-set, etc are provided so that one may read it and interpret it for themselves.
Charts ad nauseam may become tiresome. Conversely, providing the link to the researcher's interpretation of those charts would prove more helpful to discussion.

[Bootstrap]

IMO it be helpful to discuss evidence if links to the article, data-set, etc are provided so that one may read it and interpret it for themselves.
Charts ad nauseam may become tiresome. Conversely, providing the link to the researcher's interpretation of those charts would prove more helpful to discussion.

I agree. I think I try to do this, and will continue to do so. I'll try to remind you if I see you quote statistics or link to charts without providing this information, because I feel the same way.

[Neto]

Evidence that Demands Vertigo

[MaxPC]

Evidence that Demands Vertigo

Good one.

[Franklin]

There is a 100% correlation between cultural development and female premarital chastity. The evidence for this was compiled by an Oxford anthropologist here:

https://archive.org/details/b20442580

He studied all known isolated tribes and found this correlation to be perfect. Then he studied history and found that in all rising cultures in history, female premarital chastity was enforced, and that in all decaying cultures in history, female premarital chastity was not enforced.

[temporal1]

There is a 100% correlation between cultural development and female premarital chastity. The evidence for this was compiled by an Oxford anthropologist here:

https://archive.org/details/b20442580

He studied all known isolated tribes and found this correlation to be perfect. Then he studied history and found that in all rising cultures in history, female premarital chastity was enforced, and that in all decaying cultures in history, female premarital chastity was not enforced.

interesting. i believe this was published in 1934. 710 pages? i hope to be able to enlarge enough to read ..

i will say, the world i was born into, before accessible birth control pills, was a very different culture than what quickly unfolded, after. to begin, these pills were available only to married couples, women went to their doctors for prescriptions, they were paid out of pocket.

many people had no health insurance at all .. the cost of healthcare was a fraction of today's costs. working people paid their doctor and hospitable bills out of pocket. and would not have expected anything else.

the culture was so different then, i honestly believe, if folks at that time would have known that these pills and other devices would be made freely available to the unmarried, including children, they would have been banned before they ever got started.

i appreciate how CM's put as high regard on chastity of males as females.
from what you've posted, this suggests this is relatively uncommon across cultures?

[Franklin]

Most of the book is detailed case studies of each tribe which isn't that interesting but is hard evidence. Probably the most interesting part of the book is the historical part which starts on page 368 by discussing Christian marriage. And of course a study like this must be old since academia is no longer interested in truth.

People often blame birth control for modern promiscuity but in fact the same promiscuity can be found in most decaying cultures in history. They used more primitive birth control or abortion or just had children outside of marriage.

I am not aware of male chastity being part of cultures other than Christian and Muslim. There is no mention of it in the Old Testament. Most successful cultures used prostitution as a means of allowing male promiscuity while preserving female chastity.